Level Up (A5E) de-OGL-ifying Level Up?

Burnside

Space Jam Confirmed
Supporter
They could almost certainly become just "angel-blooded" and "devil-blooded." Even if aasimar and tiefling are fully open (they're not listed as forbidden in the OGL or anything), it might be better to de-D&D-ize them as much as possible.

FWIW, Heroforge instead of tiefling has "half-demon" and "infernal" (they both look like tieflings; "infernal" has wings) and "celestial".

Fiendfolk and angelfolk might be good. Or just have a species called "Outsider" and then they could have infernal, celestial, elemental, or other planar traits to choose from.
 

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TheHand

Adventurer
I'm assuming whatever a de-OGL-ified version of LevelUp will be, would still be mostly backwards-compatible with the existing materials? Asking for someone who owns all the existing hardbacks but doesn't have the disposable income to rebuy them ;)
 


Steampunkette

Rules Tinkerer and Freelance Writer
Supporter
I'm assuming whatever a de-OGL-ified version of LevelUp will be, would still be mostly backwards-compatible with the existing materials? Asking for someone who owns all the existing hardbacks but doesn't have the disposable income to rebuy them ;)
Yes.

The intent is mostly rewording and renaming things away from what is contained in the D&D SRD. The underlying math and stuff doesn't need to change, and we're doing what we can to keep the action economy and stuff exactly the same with different names.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
Yes.

The intent is mostly rewording and renaming things away from what is contained in the D&D SRD. The underlying math and stuff doesn't need to change, and we're doing what we can to keep the action economy and stuff exactly the same with different names.
I recommend not making "Hit Dice" be "Hits To Kill." It didn't work out so well for the last guys who tried.
 


Micah Sweet

Legend
Has this been decided? I wasn't aware that a decision regarding Level Up's future has been made, but people are talking here as if it has been.
 

xiphumor

Hero
Has this been decided? I wasn't aware that a decision regarding Level Up's future has been made, but people are talking here as if it has been.
Not officially decided, but Morrus floated it on Twitter as a way that ENP might respond to the OGL nonsense if it goes through.
 

Corinnguard

Adventurer
Has this been decided? I wasn't aware that a decision regarding Level Up's future has been made, but people are talking here as if it has been.
I think everyone is trying to be upbeat and positive in light of what we have been hearing lately involving the OGL. As everyone has grown up playing and collecting D&D and D&D-related material for years. And now we're confronted with the possibility of WoTC repeating history, and possibly succeeding this time. We don't know what's going to happen next until it happens.
 




Stalker0

Legend
Yes, we rewrote every word. Compare them! :)
I guess this is the part I am unfamiliar with when it comes to copyright. While there are some spells in LU that have different effects to 5e, there are many spells where the changes are aesthetic only. Sure a few words are changed here and there, but the actual mechanical creation is exactly the same as what's in the SRD. Is that not problematic?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I guess this is the part I am unfamiliar with when it comes to copyright. While there are some spells in LU that have different effects to 5e, there are many spells where the changes are aesthetic only. Sure a few words are changed here and there, but the actual mechanical creation is exactly the same as what's in the SRD. Is that not problematic?
Well that’s a complicated legal question. We’ll talk to our lawyer, of course.
 

Kinematics

Adventurer
I guess this is the part I am unfamiliar with when it comes to copyright. While there are some spells in LU that have different effects to 5e, there are many spells where the changes are aesthetic only. Sure a few words are changed here and there, but the actual mechanical creation is exactly the same as what's in the SRD. Is that not problematic?
IANAL, but the EFF post earlier today suggests, "No." Not that there might not be issues, even given EFF's argument, but at the very least I wouldn't worry about it over-much. Morrus, of course, has to worry more about it, but it's not an issue that general users need to get hung up on.
 

lichmaster

Adventurer
I guess this is the part I am unfamiliar with when it comes to copyright. While there are some spells in LU that have different effects to 5e, there are many spells where the changes are aesthetic only. Sure a few words are changed here and there, but the actual mechanical creation is exactly the same as what's in the SRD. Is that not problematic?
I'm no lawyer, but I'd hope one cannot "copyright" the mechanics of a 6d6 damage fire aoe spell, or of an invisibility spell.
 



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