Deadeye Shot Feat Question (PHB2)

[Exquisite Dead Guy]

Using the deadeye shot feat can the party rogue, who gets two attacks with a bow with a full round action, ready both attacks (assuming he takes no move action) and get sneak attack damage on both or just one?

This is of course assuming that another party memebr hits the opponent in question with a melee attack and the rogue then hits with both arrows.

Thanks.

 

[Egres]

Using the deadeye shot feat can the party rogue, who gets two attacks with a bow with a full round action, ready both attacks (assuming he takes no move action) and get sneak attack damage on both or just one?

Nope, because you can't ready a full round action.

 

[Christian]

Using the deadeye shot feat can the party rogue, who gets two attacks with a bow with a full round action, ready both attacks (assuming he takes no move action) and get sneak attack damage on both or just one?

No. Multiple attacks require the full attack action, which is a full-round action. Only standard or move actions can be readied. (Note that if the character had Manyshot, he could ready a single shot with multiple arrows; but a rogue would still get sneak attack bonus dice only once on such an attack.)

 

[Egres]

(Note that if the character had Manyshot, he could ready a single shot with multiple arrows; but a rogue would still get sneak attack bonus dice only once on such an attack.)

I disagree.

The Manyshot feat requires a standard action, while the DES feat requires a ready ranged attack.

And we know that a standard action and an attack action are 2 different things.

The problem is readying a standard action which is not an attack action (In this case the action required to use manyshot).

This wouldn't be a problem for a normal readied action, you can ready any standard action.

However, the deadeye shot feat specifically says "if you ready a ranged attack..."

A ranged attack is a standard action, but no other types of standard actions are ranged attack actions.

Since the standard action to ready manyshot is not really a "ranged attack action" that is being readied it might not work with DES feat.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A ranged attack is a standard action, but no other types of standard actions are ranged attack actions.

Since the standard action to ready manyshot is not really a "ranged attack action" that is being readied it might not work with DES feat.

There's a difference between a ranged attack, and the Attack action (ranged).

It's easier to see with melee attacks. There are lots of ways to make a melee attack without taking the Attack action (melee). The Full Attack action. The Charge action. The Sunder action. An AoO. The Cast a Spell action (when casting a touch spell on an enemy).

A melee attack is not a standard action; the Attack action (melee) is a standard action, but it is not the only way to make a melee attack.

Similarly: The Manyshot standard action is not the Attack action (ranged), but it does provide a ranged attack.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

Similarly: The Manyshot standard action is not the Attack action (ranged), but it does provide a ranged attack.

But you are not readying a ranged attack with Manyshot.

You readying a standard action to use the feat.

Not to mention that you cannot ready anything else than an action, and the "ranged attack" would be the result of the Manyshot feat, but not what you did ready.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But you are not readying a ranged attack with Manyshot.

You readying a standard action to use the feat.

You can ready a standard, move, or free action.

Given that a ranged attack is not an action - but rather, something that occurs as part of an action - you cannot ever, strictly, 'ready a ranged attack'.

You can ready an Attack action, and use that Attack action to make a ranged attack... but that is just as close to 'readying a ranged attack' as readying a Manyshot action, and using that Manyshot action to make a ranged attack.

If readying the Attack action qualifies as 'readying a ranged attack', then so does readying Manyshot. If readying Manyshot does not, then neither does readying the Attack action. The same logic applies to both; you can't separate them out.

-Hyp.

 

[Marshall]

by which logic it would also be legal to ready a Lesser Orb(or any other ranged touch) spell....

Not saying thats a BAD thing, just another observation.

(and another reason to be able to use Manyshot with SotR)

 

[ThirdWizard]

by which logic it would also be legal to ready a Lesser Orb(or any other ranged touch) spell....

Does anyone think you can't?

 

[RigaMortus2]

by which logic it would also be legal to ready a Lesser Orb(or any other ranged touch) spell....

Not saying thats a BAD thing, just another observation.

(and another reason to be able to use Manyshot with SotR)

Actually, I don't even think it has to be that specific. You Ready the "cast a spell" action, at which point when the trigger happens, you can cast any spell at that time, you don't need to specify Lesser Orb.