Deadeye Shot Feat Question (PHB2)

[Hypersmurf]

(and another reason to be able to use Manyshot with SotR)

Well, no - Shot on the Run quite explicitly specifies 'the attack action', which does exclude Manyshot.

A single, normal bowshot is a ranged attack, and uses the attack (standard) action.

A single, multiple-arrow bowshot is a ranged attack, and uses the Manyshot (standard) action.

A feat (like Deadeye Shot) that refers to a ranged attack works with either. A feat (like Shot on the Run) that refers to the attack action only works with the first one.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

You can ready a standard, move, or free action.

Given that a ranged attack is not an action - but rather, something that occurs as part of an action - you cannot ever, strictly, 'ready a ranged attack'.

You can ready an Attack action, and use that Attack action to make a ranged attack... but that is just as close to 'readying a ranged attack' as readying a Manyshot action, and using that Manyshot action to make a ranged attack.

If readying the Attack action qualifies as 'readying a ranged attack', then so does readying Manyshot. If readying Manyshot does not, then neither does readying the Attack action. The same logic applies to both; you can't separate them out.

-Hyp.

By your reasoning, readying a partial charge with the Cometary Collision feat would qualify for a "ready melee attack".

I don't buy it.

 

[Hypersmurf]

By your reasoning, readying a partial charge with the Cometary Collision feat would qualify for a "ready melee attack".

As far as I can tell, Cometary Collision would allow charging up to twice your speed, not a restricted charge.

That aside, doing so woukd result in your making a melee attack as a result of a readied action. Something that affects a readied melee attack should work with that just fine. Had you an example in mind?

-Hyp.

 

[Marshall]

Well, no - Shot on the Run quite explicitly specifies 'the attack action', which does exclude Manyshot.

A single, normal bowshot is a ranged attack, and uses the attack (standard) action.

A single, multiple-arrow bowshot is a ranged attack, and uses the Manyshot (standard) action.

A feat (like Deadeye Shot) that refers to a ranged attack works with either. A feat (like Shot on the Run) that refers to the attack action only works with the first one.

-Hyp.

Right. The argument is that SotR and/or Manyshot are intended to function together and one or the other really needs to be reworded.

 

[Egres]

Something that affects a readied melee attack should work with that just fine.

Unfortunately the DES feat doesn't affect your readied action.

It requires a readied ranged attack.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Unfortunately the DES feat doesn't affect your readied action.

It requires a readied ranged attack.

Right.

With Manyshot, you are making a ranged attack as the result of a readied action.
With the Attack action, you are making a ranged attack as the result of a readied action.

Either both of these satisfy the DES requirement, or neither do. There is no way to "Ready a ranged attack"; you can only Ready a Standard, Move, or Free action, which action may or may not allow you to make a ranged attack.

Both the Manyshot action and the Attack action are standard actions which can be readied and permit a ranged attack. I would consider these ranged attacks to satisfy the requirement of 'a readied ranged attack', since they are ranged attacks made as the result of a readied action. I could see someone claiming that the intervening step disqualifies both. But I can't see any way to logically claim that one is valid and not the other.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

With Manyshot, you are making a ranged attack as the result of a readied action.
With the Attack action, you are making a ranged attack as the result of a readied action.

So, would you allow a character with the Cometary Collision and the Hurling Charge feats to qualify for the Deadye Shot requirement?

 

[Nail]

Both the Manyshot action and the Attack action are standard actions which can be readied and permit a ranged attack. I would consider these ranged attacks to satisfy the requirement of 'a readied ranged attack', since they are ranged attacks made as the result of a readied action. I could see someone claiming that the intervening step disqualifies both. But I can't see any way to logically claim that one is valid and not the other.

-Hyp.

Ahhhhhhh....clarity.

 

[Hypersmurf]

So, would you allow a character with the Cometary Collision and the Hurling Charge feats to qualify for the Deadye Shot requirement?

I'll need to read the feats, but assuming Hurling Charge lets you make a ranged attack on a charge, Cometary Collision lets you ready a charge, and the two work together, then the result would be a ranged attack on a readied charge, which I would consider a readied ranged attack. So probably yes, I would.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

I'll need to read the feats, but assuming Hurling Charge lets you make a ranged attack on a charge, Cometary Collision lets you ready a charge, and the two work together, then the result would be a ranged attack on a readied charge, which I would consider a readied ranged attack. So probably yes, I would.

I see.

That's why I disagree: there are too many ways to go further than a simple readied ranged attack, by your reasoning.

But I'll admit your PoV is more adherent to the RaW.