Deadeye Shot Feat Question (PHB2)

[RigaMortus2]

You don't ready the ranged attack if you Ready the Attack action either. So, again - what's the difference?

-Hyp.

According to the Actions in Combat table, wouldn't it be:

Ready: Attack (ranged)

 

[Legildur]

RM2, that's exactly what I'm talking about a couple of posts earlier. I think it is Ready - Attack and that the attack is an attack (ranged). But it could also be the way you prescribe.

 

[Egres]

In either case. In both cases, you readied an action, not an attack. In both cases, the attack is made as part of the readied action. But since an attack is not an action, it can never be directly readied; it can only ever be indirectly readied by readying the action the attack is part of.

But in my example you aren't readying any ranged attack, even indirectly.

 

[Hypersmurf]

According to the Actions in Combat table, wouldn't it be:

Ready: Attack (ranged)

Yup. Which is the Attack action.

But in my example you aren't readying any ranged attack, even indirectly.

Of course I am. I'm readying the Charge action; that allows me a ranged attack when my readied action is triggered. Just like when I ready the Attack (ranged) action, it also allows me a ranged attack when my readied action is triggered.

The two situations are identical.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

Of course I am. I'm readying the Charge action; that allows me a ranged attack when my readied action is triggered. Just like when I ready the Attack (ranged) action, it also allows me a ranged attack when my readied action is triggered.

The two situations are identical.

Absolutely not.

It's crystal clear that they are blatantly different.

- In my example you are reading a charge, and after you started it you can choose to make the ranged attack.

Thus, you didn't ready any ranged attack.

- In your example, where you ready an attack action, you can't choose to not make a ranged attack.

In my example the readied action and the ranged action are not the same thing: in your example they do.

They couldn't be more different.

 

[Hypersmurf]

- In your example, where you ready an attack action, you can't choose to not make a ranged attack.

Certainly you can; just don't make the attack.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

Certainly you can; just don't make the attack.

-Hyp.

In my example you can do both: do the readied action and avoid to do the ranged attack.

See the difference now?

 

[Hypersmurf]

In my example you can do both: do the readied action and avoid to do the ranged attack.

See the difference now?

Nope.

I don't have a 3.5 DMG handy, but I'm assuming the language is similar - in the 3E DMG, under 'Adjudicating the Ready Action', it notes that the DM should require players to be specific about their action. They don't ready to 'cast a spell'; they have to say which spell. They don't ready an attack; they ready an attack against a specific opponent, or against an opponent who meets specific criteria.

So - if the Readied attack action is required to be specific, so should the Readied charge action... including whether or not Hurling Charge will be used.

If the Readied attack action is not required to be specific, then when it triggers, I can declare that I'm making my ranged attack against, say, Bigby. I take the action, but since I don't have line of sight to Bigby, I can't make the attack the action allows.

So if the declared actions must be specific, there's no difference - I must declare Hurling Charge when I ready the charge action. If the declared actions need not be specific, there's no difference - I can take the readied Attack action without a ranged attack resulting from it.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

Nope.

I don't have a 3.5 DMG handy, but I'm assuming the language is similar - in the 3E DMG, under 'Adjudicating the Ready Action', it notes that the DM should require players to be specific about their action. They don't ready to 'cast a spell'; they have to say which spell. They don't ready an attack; they ready an attack against a specific opponent, or against an opponent who meets specific criteria.

Right.

I ready a charge.

So - if the Readied attack action is required to be specific, so should the Readied charge action... including whether or not Hurling Charge will be used.

Nope.

I would be readying more than I can, since I can only ready a standard, move or free action.

If the Readied attack action is not required to be specific, then when it triggers, I can declare that I'm making my ranged attack against, say, Bigby. I take the action, but since I don't have line of sight to Bigby, I can't make the attack the action allows.

So if the declared actions must be specific, there's no difference - I must declare Hurling Charge when I ready the charge action. If the declared actions need not be specific, there's no difference - I can take the readied Attack action without a ranged attack resulting from it.

But in this example only because you wanted to but you couldn't.

In my example you could choose to not do it.

See the difference now?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I would be readying more than I can, since I can only ready a standard, move or free action.

Either the Hurling Charge is made as part of the standard action that you ready (Cometary Collision charge), or it isn't.

If it is, you declare it when you Ready. If it isn't, you can't perform it when your Readied action triggers.

I can take free actions while performing another action normally. If I Ready to attack Bob when he gets close... at the point that my Readied action triggers, can I drop my longsword, Quick Draw my greatsword, cast a Quickened True Strike, and attack him?

-Hyp.