Deadeye Shot Feat Question (PHB2)

[Egres]

And I would consider the attack from the Sundering Cleave to be 'a readied attack', since it occurs as part of a readied action.

But, unfortunately, that wasn't what you readied at all.

You readied a sunder attempt: nothing more.

What happens after your readied action is meaningless, since the readied action has already triggered.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But, unfortunately, that wasn't what you readied at all.

Certainly I did.

I readied a Sunder, which in conjunction with the Combat Brute feat results in an attack against the weapon and an attack against the wielder being triggered by the right conditions.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

Certainly I did.

I readied a Sunder, which in conjunction with the Combat Brute feat results in an attack against the weapon and an attack against the wielder being triggered by the right conditions.

-Hyp.

Actually, it's not in conjunction at all.

You take the extra attack granted by the maneuveur after completing your readied action.

Bob: "I ready an action: if someone sunders John's weapon, I attack him/her".

Mike:"I ready an action. I'll sunder the weapon of the first one who'll enter in my threatened area."

Then, John enters in Myke's threatened area, and Mike sunders his weapon.

Bob, then, attacks Myke thanks to his readied action, and kills him with a single blow.

Did Myke end his readied action?

Yes.

He sundered John's weapon.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Then, John enters in Myke's threatened area, and Mike sunders his weapon.

Bob, then, attacks Myke thanks to his readied action, and kills him with a single blow.

Did Myke end his readied action?

Yes.

If Bob had not killed him, Mike would have continued on via Sundering Cleave to strike John. The result of Mike's trigger condition being met was incomplete at the time Bob attacked.

Mike had not fully resolved what was readied.

-Hyp.

 

[Korak]

Without betraying my own position, let me just say that I am enjoying the debate.

 

[Egres]

If Bob had not killed him, Mike would have continued on via Sundering Cleave to strike John.

If Bob parents had not given him life, Mike would have continued on via Sundering Cleave to strike John.

The result of Mike's trigger condition being met was incomplete at the time Bob attacked.

Did he ready a sunder action?

Yes.

Did he sunder his opponent's weapon?

Yes.

Mike had not fully resolved what was readied.

Actually, what he readied was a sunder attempt.

You admit that too:

Since the action you're taking is Sunder, I'd require that your readied action be "I sunder the weapon of anyone that tries to hurt my helpless ally".

If you did so successfully,

 

[Korak]

Did he ready a sunder action?

Yes.

more precisely... he readied a specific standard action: sunder

Did he sunder his opponent's weapon?

Yes.

without a doubt

Actually, what he readied was a sunder attempt.

negative... as pointed out before, he readied a specific standard action: sunder. Players cannot ready melee attacks, dice rolls, mountain dew drinks, bathroom breaks, or anything else apart from standard actions, move actions, and free actions... Mike readied a standard action. By virtue of feats, abilities, and skills possed by Mike, he is entitled to do a number of things within a single standard action: sunder provided certain conditions are met. The salient point though, is that all of those things he may do are contained within the standard action... and the action is the thing that is readied. Assuming Bob is able to kill Mike with a readied standard action: attack that was triggered by the sundering of John's weapon, then Mike's action would indeed be interrupted and incomplete. Mike would have still been eligible to do more within the bounds of his readied standard action: sunder had he not been killed in mid-action.

 

[Egres]

negative... as pointed out before, he readied a specific standard action: sunder. Players cannot ready melee attacks, dice rolls, mountain dew drinks, bathroom breaks, or anything else apart from standard actions, move actions, and free actions... Mike readied a standard action. By virtue of feats, abilities, and skills possed by Mike, he is entitled to do a number of things within a single standard action: sunder provided certain conditions are met.

Actually, with the sundering cleave maneuveur he obtains more than a standard action, unless you are going to state that the extra attack is a non action.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Actually, with the sundering cleave maneuveur he obtains more than a standard action, unless you are going to state that the extra attack is a non action.

No melee attack is an action; they're all something that occurs as part of an action (or AoO).

Someone who is restricted to only a standard action can take the Attack action, and make potentially multiple attacks via the Great Cleave feat as a result of that action.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

No melee attack is an action; they're all something that occurs as part of an action (or AoO).

Someone who is restricted to only a standard action can take the Attack action, and make potentially multiple attacks via the Great Cleave feat as a result of that action.

But you dont have to.

Bob readies an attack to strike the first creature enters in his threatened area.

He doesn't know, of course, if his attack will drop his opponent, so he simply readies an attack action.

However, he could also add the great cleave feat extra attacks if he drops his opponent and other creatures too, but these attacks were not readied at all.