Death Urge + Deja Vu' (is this right?)

[RigaMortus]

Can you cast Death Urge then, if successful, cast Deja Vu' the next round to basically "mimic" what Death Urge does? To me, it looks like you can...

Death Urge
Telepathy (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
Level: Psion/wilder 4
Display: Mental
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./ level)
Target: One living creature
Duration: 1 round
Saving Throw: Will negates
Power Resistance: Yes
Power Points: 7
You plant a hidden death-urge impulse in the subject’s unconscious. On the subject’s next turn, it looks for the quickest method to end its life and attempts to do so. The subject takes no other action on its turn except attempting to harm itself.
If armed, the subject attacks itself as a full-round action. The attack automatically succeeds and deals damage as a critical hit. If unarmed, the subject moves adjacent to the nearest enemy and provokes an attack of opportunity, offering its opponent an opening, which the opponent may or may not choose to take advantage of.
If the subject is unarmed and no enemy is nearby, the subject simply does nothing at all. A subject close to an immediate and lethal hazard such as a cliff or a fire might hurl itself off the cliff or into the fire instead of striking itself with a weapon.
Augment: For every 4 additional power points you spend, this power’s save DC increases by 2 and its duration increases by 1 round.

Déjà Vu
Telepathy [Mind-Affecting]
Level: Psion/wilder 1
Display: Mental
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One creature
Duration: 1 round
Saving Throw: Will negates
Power Resistance: Yes
Power Points: 1
Your mental impulse forces the subject to repeat the actions it took on its previous turn. If the situation has changed in such a way that the subject can’t take the same actions again (if its foe is dead, or the subject has run out of power points, and so on), the subject stands still and takes no actions for 1 round. In any event, the subject can still defend itself, and it retains its Dexterity bonus to AC even if it stands still.
Augment: For every 2 additional power points you spend, this power’s save DC increases by 1.

I had inadvertantly took these two powers with my Psion, and just realized how well they work together...

 

[Rkhet]

They get another will save, though. It's better to just pump up the first one, if you have the power points.

 

[RigaMortus]

They get another will save, though. It's better to just pump up the first one, if you have the power points.

True, but if you are level 7 (like I am), you can't augment it yet. Deja Vu' is cheap (only 1pp) and I can Extend Power on it as well (another 2pp) so they do it two rounds instead of just 1. The downside being, the saving throw to save is a little lower.

Also, when I am able to augment Death Urge, Deja Vu' would still be useful anyway.

 

[RigaMortus2]

No other comments? I guess by the lack of comments, these two spells work together just as a I though...

 

[tomBitonti]

Deja Vu is one round?

Hi,

I'm surprised that Deja Vu has a duration other than instantaneous.
I understand that there is an actual duration, but I wouldn't think that
the power could be extended.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'm surprised that Deja Vu has a duration other than instantaneous.
I understand that there is an actual duration, but I wouldn't think that
the power could be extended.

Given that it does have a duration, what is your basis for thinking it can't be?

-Hyp.

 

[tomBitonti]

Given that it does have a duration, what is your basis for thinking it can't be?

-Hyp.

Basic answer, I hadn't noticed that the duration was a round. That doesn't fit my
feel for the power, so I didn't take the time to look closely.

I can see the effect "your actions are to repeat your actions from the prior round"
(my paraphrase of the power's effect) making sense to work for any number of rounds.
However, if in any of the repeated rounds you are forced to take no action, that would
become the action for all following rounds, as the effect should always repeat the
immediately preceeding round.

I don't get the following from the wording of the power, but maybe you would repeat
the prior two rounds, instead of repeating the prior round twice.

 

[dcollins]

I'm surprised that Deja Vu has a duration other than instantaneous.

It has to be, because the target doesn't act simultaneously with the use of the power. It needs to be 1 round duration to overlap the moment when the target actually does take an action.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Right... If the target attacked it self right after the spell went off, it would be instantaneous. But we have to wait for the target's turn before it can attack itself, which is why it has a duration of 1 round.

I took out a Dire Bear with this spell the other night Was really cool...

Oh, the other question is this... It says:

If armed, the subject attacks itself as a full-round action.

Now, does that mean it only does one attack, and to do so, it must use a full-round action? Or does it mean it takes all it's attacks (assuming it has more than 1, like claw, claw, bite) as a full-round action? I assumed it was the latter...

 

[RigaMortus]

No one knows?