Dell customer service lies, don't buy a Dell.

I think it's less the quality of systems than the odds. Dell deals with a TON of stuff and by any count a certain percentage of that stuff is bound to be defective/crap. We unhappy few just hit the wrong draw. The spot where I think Dell drops the ball is their Tech Support line and its lack of communications. It's just the fact that Dell grew quickly and the infrastructure didn't grow as fast as the bureaucracy. And now's it's entrenched and harder to change. Although I do hope they do change; I like my Dell Laptop.

Einan
 

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Einan said:
It's just the fact that Dell grew quickly and the infrastructure didn't grow as fast as the bureaucracy.

You know, I heard that argument all the time when I was there, and I don't buy it.
It's just an excuse for being lazy.
People can learn the infrastructure, make needed contacts, and have a very effective communication network...but very few do.

When I was there I could accomplish pretty much anything. I shipped $12M worth of server parts to Iraq the first day of the new war, overnight. I shipped trucks full of used monitors to distributors. I was able to correct errors that system sales made before the customer even realized the error. I was able to send everything going to boeing through an alternate warehouse where everything got the 'special boeing sticker' before shipping out. I was always able to expedite anything that was in stock and had visibility to stock and substitutes, so I could order the best part, at the best price, pick a manufacturer, and shoot it out of the warehouse. I knew people in every business (home, ed, gov, bus, HC) and every dept (cust supp, tech, system sales, parts) and the people that directly affected my ability to be effective, like parts planners/buyers, warehouse folks, credit and collections, global export compliance, web site support. I had that set up in just over a year, and when I started, I didn't know anything about computers above word processing...my field was sports medicine for Pete's sake!

They changed the phone queue trickledown so people would wind up in our queue if they didn't hit buttons, or hit 0 a bunch of times...because we solved problems, even if they weren't specifically our problems, because we knew what we were doing, how to do it, and took ownership of all Dell customers (even home users that thought lightning strikes or freezing your LCD in the car overnight should be covered by warranty). A single person can make a huge change in the atmosphere at Dell, and a TEAM of dedicated people, realizing the larger good, can accomplish anything.

The problem is lazy people, especially the people on the front lines. They just want to sit there and answer the phone and make you someone else's problem. They didn't want to learn the tools, the equipment, the technology, the soft skills, nor the infrastructure. They wanted to sit there for 40 hours, do the least amount possible, then collect a fat check and whine about the price of their stock options or their jobs going to India because they sucked. (This is a generalization, there were SOME good people that were thrown out with the bath water.)

That's all In My Experience, of course. That's the only bad thing I've ever said about Dell, and I said it on every internal quarterly survey too.
 

Unfortunately, I talked to people who already WERE in India. I never spoke to a single American tech support person who worked for Dell. Perhaps you're right about being lazy, but I don't believe that all the techs I spoke with were simply being lazy. I think it points to a larger problem in either the systems they used or the training they recieved. I don't know which one it was, or if it was a larger issue than that, but I do know that because of that event I will never advise anyone to purchase from Dell again. Especially if they're someone who doesn't understand computers. Any trouble and they can expect having their computer be out of service for a significant length of time. It's unfortunate that this soured me, but it did. It was such a terrible, terrible mess, that I can't in good conscience advise anyone to purchase from them and take the chance that it happens to them.

Einan
 

Einan said:
I think it points to a larger problem in either the systems they used or the training they recieved. I don't know which one it was, or if it was a larger issue than that, but I do know that because of that event I will never advise anyone to purchase from Dell again.

I totally understand, and I think you are right to do so. I didn't have a whole lot of interaction with tech support, aside from cigarette breaks, but they were always just following decision trees, so I don't think there was ever a very positive experience there unless you had a 'common issue' like your monitor was unplugged, or you wanted to format your hard drive and reinstall windows.

I just felt like ranting a little (or a lot). I hate excuses for failure. You fail, you recognize that failure, you fix the issue. Denying failure isn't going to help anything.
 

I completely understand. Sometimes it's just a problem that when a thing gets too big, it takes on its own gravity and is harder to alter. I completely understand the frustration of watching something not work and wanting to fix it. It's difficult when you know that a few simple changes would make a world of difference and no one seems to want to do it.

Einan
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
Packard-Bell did the same for me. I thank them in a way for making me learn how to rip apart a computer. I've never bought a computer since then, I've built them all myself.

True. IBM did that for me. I went to see if I could add new memory. Found the memory "slots" (a pair of rows of curved tooth-like "pins" that stuck up from the motherboard) had some of the "pins" all twisted around like somebody had gone in there with a pair of needle-nose pliers and wrenched them. Not to mention finding out that the comp I got out of a sealed box was registered to some hispanic. WTF?!?!?! :confused: Compusa thought it was our fault (me and a friend of mine). Had another friend build my next comp and then after that friend #1 and myself built the others. Getting ready to build a new comp soon as soon as I get the parts. Won't ever go back to IBM ever again.

I bought one of those Dell Inspiron 6000 laptops. Works well for me. I use it to load pics from my digital camera on thanks to that nice SD slot on the side! :) May use it for gaming so I won't have to lug so many books to the gaming sessions....
 


I have bought 6 Dells in the past 7 years or so, and never had an issue. I think I was lucky the time I did have to use tech support (was loose ram). Dell has been very, very good to me.
 


Better to find out before the battery explodes, right?

I'm a rather big proponent of no-fault recall. It's not like they're claiming that the issue is that people are misusing the batteries.

Good luck, Ken.
 

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