Design & Development: The Warlock

[The Little Raven]

"Good" implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.

If I'm willing to sell my own soul to save the people and places I love by fighting "fire" with "fire," aren't I making a personal sacrifice to help others? I am by no means a pure person, but it doesn't mean I have lost my respect for life.

 

[Andor]

Buying a sword or weapon from someone who is evil is not an act of evil. Using a weapon is not evil, swords don't kill people people do. Same with machines of war. Deathstar itself is not evil, the slaves who made it are not evil (if you buy into the private contractor theory then yes they are evil),

Buying a sword or weapon from evil ≠ evil. Check

Using a weapon ≠ evil. Check

Same rule for machines of war. Check

Building machine of war involuntarily ≠ evil. Check

Building machine of war for pay = evil. Huh?

Do you mean to say that every blacksmith who forged a sword for pay is evil?

I'm genuinely not following your logic here.

 

[GreatLemur]

Building machine of war for pay = evil. Huh?

Do you mean to say that every blacksmith who forged a sword for pay is evil?

I think it's not simply making weapons that's evil, but weapons that can destroy planets and are comissioned by Space Nazis who consider genocide a valid interrogation technique.

...Of course, when the Space Nazis effectively rule all of known civilization, I think the line between "slaves" and "private contractors" isn't very sharply defined. Even if Space Hitler's paying you for your labor, the dude still knows where you live, has armies at his command, and doesn't like being told "no".

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

I wouldn't say they have to be good. Non-evil is good enough for me. I know it kind of contradicts one's sense of symmetry to have one evil pact option and two neutral pact options, but I don't think forcing symmetry into your game mechanics is necessarily a good idea. Hell, look at the absurdities White Wolf commits in its name.

Hell, just look at ravages and afflictions.

 

[Paraxis]

Building machine of war for pay = evil. Huh?

Do you mean to say that every blacksmith who forged a sword for pay is evil?

I'm genuinely not following your logic here.

You can't follow it because it was bad logic....I got on a high horse of a soap box and started ranting and raving and made some illogical statements.

I am doing something few people online do from what I've seen, admiting that I was wrong.

I still prefer my game as black/white fantasy good vs evil with clear cut lines that should never be crossed, but that doesn't mean everyone should or that even if they do that the line should be in the same place that I put.

I am sorry to anybody who had loved one's on that second Deathstar I did not mean to cause you pain, those contractors were not evil. Oh and Billy that Stormtrooper sending checks home so Grandma could get her operation, I know you are not evil either, but if you get a chance do some damage to the Empire from the inside man go for it...you know those dark force using guys are a bad lot.

Anyway again, I have convinced myself to have hope in Feral and Shadow Warlocks to be usable by my players in the type of games I like to run.

If I'm willing to sell my own soul to save the people and places I love by fighting "fire" with "fire," aren't I making a personal sacrifice to help others? I am by no means a pure person, but it doesn't mean I have lost my respect for life.

In some games I can see that being done, in my black/white worlds I like to run...characters like Ghostrider or Spawn would be the bad guys...they might fight other bad guys but they would be on the evil side of the line for me......don't get me wrong I love to read those comics and I think in the comics themselves they can be very heroic....

I will try and be less ranting and more logical in the future.

 

[kigmatzomat]

I am sorry to anybody who had loved one's on that second Deathstar I did not mean to cause you pain, those contractors were not evil. Oh and Billy that Stormtrooper sending checks home so Grandma could get her operation, I know you are not evil either..

Just a reminder that Luke was planning on joining the Empire before the Stormtroopers nuked his aunt and uncle chasing down C3PO and R2D2.

Sometimes good people join bad causes because evil is good at hiding the evil.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

You can't follow it because it was bad logic....I got on a high horse of a soap box and started ranting and raving and made some illogical statements.

I am doing something few people online do from what I've seen, admiting that I was wrong.

QFT

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(Quoted for Greatness9

For this, I award you 1.000 points of positive internet reputation (yeah, don't know what this means either), and make you my personal Internet Hero of the Day (You can't buy anything from it, but maybe you get all warm and fuzzy inside.) Thumbs up!

 

[Imp]

I am sorry to anybody who had loved one's on that second Deathstar I did not mean to cause you pain, those contractors were not evil. Oh and Billy that Stormtrooper sending checks home so Grandma could get her operation, I know you are not evil either, but if you get a chance do some damage to the Empire from the inside man go for it...you know those dark force using guys are a bad lot.

I gotta say, I am fairly unconvinced that roofer was less evil than his "friend" was for taking that job with Babyface Bambino. I mean, seriously, you get a sketchy feeling about a job, so you turn it over to a "friend"? What is that? Listens to "this", my @%$.

Of course, Randal wasn't all right, because you can't assume that all of the private contractors on that thing were working with innocent intentions, and in particular, you can't assume the kinds of "benefits" provided by the Galactic Empire would be entirely benign in nature.

Ah screw it I just wanted to say all that aloud to myself in Clerks-cadence. It makes reading forums fun again!

 

[Gloombunny]

By the way I think I have a new NPC for my first 4E game an Eladrin Warlock (Infernal) named Darkleaf Elfstar. She will rail the PC's and become a thorn in the side of the party for many game sessions.

At least she's not a PC. I mean, if I were playing in your game, I wouldn't want to be Elfstar. I'd want to be Debbie.

 

[Andor]

At least she's not a PC. I mean, if I were playing in your game, I wouldn't want to be Elfstar. I'd want to be Debbie.

Debbie does D&D?