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Dice Questions?

Luda

Villager
Hi Kevin and all,

Taking advantage of the invitation to ask questions, on another website I saw a user ask about dice he had as a child. He remembers them as coming in the packaging as seen on your page http://www.dicecollector.com/THE_DICE_THEME_MAYFAIR_GAMES.html in the gemstones boxes, the ones that unfold. He remembers them as having 6 dice. I remember the same because I had two sets of six until they were stolen. I had some shared colours but none of the dice of the same type had the same colour as each other. Looking at a lot of images online I have seen the blister pack gemstones in the exact colours I had, even down to the pink and smoky and the yellow inked with black when everything else was white ink. Came to hate that black ink on the yellow. Even the pink dice had white ink.

The trouble being, all those gemstones sets show only five dice each, but I had two sets of six, these were the only clear dice I had, one set was a Christmas gift from parents, one I got myself for friends. Those sets don't show d6s but I had d6s. They were expensive enough. The other dice I had were from D&D box sets or a few other RPGs, all solid colours.

The blister pack shows inked and tumbled dice which is matches my dice, even the numbering is the same with bars not dots under the 6 and 9.

The more compicated boxes, which if it isn't the type of box I had is extremely similar to the box I had, show uninked, untumbled dice, in colours that aren't the same (not the green anyway) and the d4 in those boxes have the corners chopped off but mine weren't, mine were like the blister packs, rounded and all the way.

Also, I never got a storage bag but those advertise a storage bag.

Someone gave a link to boardgamegeek and that shows the GEMSTONES game as being released in 1987. Either Boardgamegeek is wrong or I had something else because I was living in Australia when I got the dice and I had left Australia well before 1987.

It was our local toyshop that sold RPG stuff. These weren't mail order items or from a specialist RPG store since we didn't have any around. There was nowhere to buy individual polyhedral dice, let alone clear polyhedral dice. I remember seeing the fancy packets stacked on a shelf near the Traveller little black books.

Does anyone here remember these? Do you have dates of production and the included fold out rules Kevin? Seeing the post has brought up some memories and now I'm wondering why two people remember sets of six and all the photos show sets of five with different production styles of dice in different packets.
 

Kevin Cook

Villager
HI Luda

Its funny you mention the fold out packaging ... I do not ever recall opening one of these things

I think I may be able to shed a little light on this some of this

* Mayfair ... seems to (not 100% sure) repackage other companies dice
* The reason I show 5 die sets in my photos is ... the packages are older than the early 80's when Louis Zocchi (Gamescience) released the first D10
* The reason yours have 6 dice is likely that you have a D10 ... is that correct?
* Another telltale would be that it does not have 7 dice ... so it falls between the time when Lou released the d10 and the time he released the D00 or Decader d10

Hi Kevin and all,

Taking advantage of the invitation to ask questions, on another website I saw a user ask about dice he had as a child. He remembers them as coming in the packaging as seen on your page http://www.dicecollector.com/THE_DICE_THEME_MAYFAIR_GAMES.html in the gemstones boxes, the ones that unfold. He remembers them as having 6 dice. I remember the same because I had two sets of six until they were stolen. I had some shared colours but none of the dice of the same type had the same colour as each other. Looking at a lot of images online I have seen the blister pack gemstones in the exact colours I had, even down to the pink and smoky and the yellow inked with black when everything else was white ink. Came to hate that black ink on the yellow. Even the pink dice had white ink.

The trouble being, all those gemstones sets show only five dice each, but I had two sets of six, these were the only clear dice I had, one set was a Christmas gift from parents, one I got myself for friends. Those sets don't show d6s but I had d6s. They were expensive enough. The other dice I had were from D&D box sets or a few other RPGs, all solid colours.

The blister pack shows inked and tumbled dice which is matches my dice, even the numbering is the same with bars not dots under the 6 and 9.

The more compicated boxes, which if it isn't the type of box I had is extremely similar to the box I had, show uninked, untumbled dice, in colours that aren't the same (not the green anyway) and the d4 in those boxes have the corners chopped off but mine weren't, mine were like the blister packs, rounded and all the way.

Also, I never got a storage bag but those advertise a storage bag.

Someone gave a link to boardgamegeek and that shows the GEMSTONES game as being released in 1987. Either Boardgamegeek is wrong or I had something else because I was living in Australia when I got the dice and I had left Australia well before 1987.

It was our local toyshop that sold RPG stuff. These weren't mail order items or from a specialist RPG store since we didn't have any around. There was nowhere to buy individual polyhedral dice, let alone clear polyhedral dice. I remember seeing the fancy packets stacked on a shelf near the Traveller little black books.

Does anyone here remember these? Do you have dates of production and the included fold out rules Kevin? Seeing the post has brought up some memories and now I'm wondering why two people remember sets of six and all the photos show sets of five with different production styles of dice in different packets.
 

Kevin Cook

Villager
APRIL 2018 HIGHTLIGHTS

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Luda

Villager
HI Luda

Its funny you mention the fold out packaging ... I do not ever recall opening one of these things

I think I may be able to shed a little light on this some of this

* Mayfair ... seems to (not 100% sure) repackage other companies dice
* The reason I show 5 die sets in my photos is ... the packages are older than the early 80's when Louis Zocchi (Gamescience) released the first D10
* The reason yours have 6 dice is likely that you have a D10 ... is that correct?
* Another telltale would be that it does not have 7 dice ... so it falls between the time when Lou released the d10 and the time he released the D00 or Decader d10
Sorry about my late reply Kevin. I typed one up a couple of days ago and then got a forbidden gateway error and it was all lost. So, trying to recreate it.

Firstly thanks for the reply and thanks for the info. I think I must have been a little unclear so I'll try and clarify and I will almost certainly recreate parts of my earlier post as well as adding some new stuff. You are the expert here so excuse me if it seems like I'm trying to teach you stuff you already know.

When you mention that Mayfair used to repack dice that makes sense since the fancier gemstones packages you own show what look like gamescience dice.

The dice set I had:
* standard six RPG dice (4,6,8,10,12,20)
* rounded edges
* came in a fold out package that looks a lot like fancier one you have in your superb collection
* one part of box was substantially black (I don't recall seeing the red like you have on your site)
* the rest of the front had images on it like treasure
* a central clear bubble which held the dice
* inside there was a printed sheet with rules for a game using all six dice (because if it hadn't used all six then knowing me as I do, I would be wondering why it hadn't used all six).
* the advertising or box said something about "world's first transparent polyhedral dice"
* came out well before 1987; was 1984 or 1985 I think.

The simpler blister packages you own:
* apart from the dice colours they contain, they are identical to those photographed on Boardgamegeek.
* BGG gives the year GEMSTONES game came out as 1987. I assume this is because the back of the packet has a large "copyright 1987" at the top.
* This is late 80s, not early 80s, and d10 were widely established.
* They DO contain a d10.
* They do NOT contain a d6.
* The fancier packages on your site contain the same five dice as the blister packets.
* The fancier packages match all the features I remember mine having. I was stunned when I saw the black section because I had been trying to visualise how there was treasure and clear bubble and big bit of black, and was starting to think myself out fo their being black at all.

I need to reiterate that the set I had was all six dice and was on the market for several years BEFORE the blister pack photographed on BGG. I wouldn't be surprised if they eliminated the d6 from later versions because having only the other shapes makes the package exotic and more marketable, especially to parents who didn't play RPGs but saw stuff like their kids played with and thought it would make a cheap gift.

Decahedronal d10 have been around widely since at least 1981 because they were included in Moldvay Basic D&D. This is interesting because I'm told early Mentzer Basic D&D came out in 1983 with only five dice. I think it was around 1984 that the d10 was added into the Mentzer set.

In 1983 TSR released Star Frontiers which included two standard d10s in the box sets, though these are quite dissimilar in design to the d10 in the D&D set despite being packaged by the same publisher. FASA's Star Trek RPG Second Edition came with two d10s as well and was also released in 1983. (First Edition game with the icosahedral d10s.) Mine look like Gamescience d10s.

Unfortunately, Mayfair ceased operations earlier this year so there's probably no one to talk to there. I can try writing to Asmodee, who bought all their assets, but who knows if anyone from Mayfair has been kept on, let alone someone who remembers a dice set from at least 32 years ago.

I did see some advertisements on your site and I'm thinking in absence of anything else, looking through some old magazines might be worth doing. The world's first transparent polyhedral dice, or whatever the phrase was, certainly seems like something they'd want to boast about and so would splah a little advertising money on.

Again, thanks for the reply. It has given me a few things to think about.
 

Kevin Cook

Villager
MAY 2018 HIGHLIGHTS

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Kevin Cook

Villager
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Kevin Cook

Villager
JULY 2018 HIGHLIGHTS

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Kevin Cook

Villager
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Kevin Cook

Villager
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Kevin Cook

Villager
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Kevin Cook

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Kevin Cook

Villager
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Kevin Cook

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Kevin Cook

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APRIL 2019 HIGHTLIGHTS

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Kevin Cook

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