D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

[Micah Sweet]

Class structure and mechanics between the two version is pretty minimal. That support is limited to people that have already purchased the old version. The old core books are invisible to new subscribers as far as I know.
Now, if D&DBeyond starts to support Tales of the Valiant or Level up in the marketplace of character builder you may then have a point.
Even then it is still 5e the core structure is similar in all those cases.
Now if they change to game to the degree that 4e changed from 3.x. that would require some extensive work on the D&DBeyond codebase to support it. It would also create a strong incentive for people that do not want to play the new game to switch out to one of the 5e clones. Then they are creating a real incentive to not continue in the D&DBeyond ecosystem and marketplace and move to platform that supports the ruleset the players prefer.
Then they could try to retain the old customers by supporting the old game with new material, or invite the clone games onto D&DBeyond.

Level Up has its own character builder: levelupgateway.com. no need for anything from WotC.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I am surprised because Hasbro doesn't sell D&D toys like action figures or monster plushies.

I unknow if Hasbro and Epic Games have got good vibes after their last collabs but I haven't watched new collabs.

 

[Nikosandros]

The old core books are invisible to new subscribers as far as I know.

What do you mean by invisible? The 2014 core books are still being sold on DDB.

 

[mamba]

It currently supports both WotC versions of 5e

pretty sure they will need quite a bit of overhaul if 6e were to deviate more from 5e, the way 3e / 4e / 5e did

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Level Up has its own character builder: levelupgateway.com. no need for anything from WotC.

That is all fine and dandy and ignores the context of what I was posting, which had more to do with the hypotheticals of what if WoTC creates an edition that is fundamentally different from 5e in the way that 4e was to 3.x

 

[bedir than]

pretty sure they will need quite a bit of overhaul if 6e were to deviate more from 5e, the way 3e / 4e / 5e did

well, yes, but they are saying 5e is perpetual

 

[UngainlyTitan]

What do you mean by invisible? The 2014 core books are still being sold on DDB.

Wow, that has surprised me, I am pretty sure I looked for this before and did not find on the marketplace. Very Interesting. Thanks

 

[TiQuinn]

Someone in @Alphastream Discord does the complex multi-variable algebra to suss out a likely revenue number.
Q1 with the final core release was ~80 million for D&D
Q2 with continually falling BG3 monies and late Dungeon Delves was ~71 million

Hasbro in full was $981 mil for the quarter

Yeah, I’ve listened to his podcast where he’s gone into this and it still feels very much like educated hobbyist but still a lot of uncertainty (obviously Hasbro is not interested in people understanding their financials at the individual brand levels.)

Edit: I should mention there’s nothing wrong with this, and Teos in reporting this stuff is very upfront about what is known and guessed at. It’s just the gaps are still sometimes substantial particularly when it comes to digital, which is also on Hasbro intentionally or unintentionally making it hard to suss out.

 

[Micah Sweet]

That is all fine and dandy and ignores the context of what I was posting, which had more to do with the hypotheticals of what if WoTC creates an edition that is fundamentally different from 5e in the way that 4e was to 3.x

I imagine they'll dump the old material off D&D Beyond three seconds after they think they can get away with it.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

I imagine they'll dump the old material off D&D Beyond three seconds after they think they can get away with it.

Well apparently you can still purchase the 2014 core rule books on Beyond.