Did someone declare January "Edition Wars" month?

[Raven Crowking]

Fixed that for you. A unified mechanic is what brought my entire group back to D&D after throwing 1e and 2e away in disgust because of all the house timkering that needed to be done.

You messed it up. He was quoting for truth because he agreed that it was true that I held the opinion I claimed I did.

 

[thedungeondelver]

You messed it up. He was quoting for truth because he agreed that it was true that I held the opinion I claimed I did.

Uh, no.

I feel Mr. Hague was being snarky at me in a backhanded manner: unified mechanics are not some panacea and I agree with you that:

Design elegance is not the be-all-end-all .

 

[Raven Crowking]

Uh, no.

I feel Mr. Hague was being snarky at me in a backhanded manner: unified mechanics are not some panacea and I agree with you that:

Design elegance is not the be-all-end-all .

Maybe, but the quote you quoted was me saying what I like, not me saying "X is actually true". Therefore, Mr. Hague's "correction" didn't actually change the content of your quote. Call me an English language nerd. I found that funny.

 

[BroccoliRage]

reported

Go for it. ::Shrug::

I might point out your insulting tone is not cute.

It's not meant to be. An assault on other forums, unprovoked. Drudged up bad feelings from two months ago, assuming that peoples opinions are static and alluding to some ridiculous conspiracy involving members of secret forums, and more of this digging in and fighting. What you did is insulting. Attempt to flip it all you like, it's what happpened. I don't think much of that kind of stuff. By the way, mod who corrected me, you're request is more than reasonable. However, my response was no more out of line than the post responded to. I won't bring arguments from other boards here. My point was that noone should. However, you warning is noted, extremely fair, and will be adhered to.

I'll have to take your word for it as to ENWorld, as you can see I've not been at ENWorld as long as you, post very frequently nor am I a fee paying member. So I don't get the "your members" comment. I'm also unaware of this great ENWorld boycott, if it was in the last year I missed it.

Im not being harsh. There was no organized, concerted effort, but the sentiment was very much there. However, that was also months ago, so let's let that bit of unpleasantness die the death it deserves. Can't we let it go? It's old hat, by now.

How long you have been here means nothing. It doesn't mean you're any less valid a member than any other member. I referred to 'your members' because it seems that a line is being drawn in the sand, and for no real reason. I'd love to eliminate the line. I think that's why I ceded victory and said that all d20 members win.

I'll state it again: You all win. Yes, that's right. No, I'm not being sarcastic or mean, I mean it genuinely: you win. I'd rather get back to talking about some fun stuff, now. like modules and Dungeon adventures, and fun campaigns and brainstorming. I can't do that, however when the community seems to be united against me in threads like this, thereby ruining any chance of some light hearted and fun conversation.

One more time: I admit you are all right. Please, let's talk about fun stuff now. No, no martyrdom, no apologies, no back patting or grab-ass. You win, I lose. I LOSE. See that? I just said so.

What is my concern? I raised no concern.

Yeah, you did, you dug up an argument on another board and posted it here in an attempt to explain some half baked conspiracy theory! You were gossiping! It's really damned mean spirited to parade around an opinion alot of folks held a long time ago. Dredging up ancient sins leads to bad blood.

Are you just being sarcastic to put words in my mouth and ascribe to me things you don't like about ENWorld?

No but I believe you could give me lessons on that. I don't dislike ENWorld, I'm just trying to make these stupid fights go away without compromising myself anymore than neccescary.

If it will help:

I HEREBY RENOUNCE ALL NEGATIVE STATEMENTS MADE BY ME REGARDING THE D20 SYSTEM, WHETHER THE STATEMENT WAS REALLY MADE BY ME, WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, OR HAS BEEN FALSELY ATTRIBUTED TO ME. MEA CULPA.

If you look at my post track record, as thin as it is, I think you'll see I agree that 1e has a certain feel, even if I don't agree with your views on 3e. Look also at where I'm trying to explore mechanistics reasons that support your view that D&D is not 3e, even if I don't agree. Finally, I have had loving words to say to some of the views of thedungeondelver expressed on his website.

I'm not expressing a view anymore, I gave up proselytizing (did i spell it write? I always mess that word up. selective dyslexia, perhaps) a few days ago, and did so publiscly. Now I just want to be left out of these arguments.

 

[tx7321]

Whiz, all I meant was that historically, when a new version of D&D comes out it seems like many (if not most) players abandon the older system there playing for the newer one (at least that was my experiance with 2E and 3E).

I didn't mean to suggest that going back to earlier editions was supported historically (niether do I believe it). What I do believe is that when the novelty of 3E and 3.5 wears out, and people start getting bored (but don't want to play 4E) they might.......Just might give 1E a few tries, just to see what all the fuss is about. I mean, why not? I've actually read some threads around the web of 3E players running OSRIC to see what its all about (even though OSRIC wasn't initially designed to be anything but a publishers tool).

Broc: "I'm not expressing a view anymore, I gave up proselytizing (did i spell it write? I always mess that word up. selective dyslexia, perhaps) a few days ago, and did so publiscly. Now I just want to be left out of these arguments."

Ahhh, don't let the babys get you down! Just ignore the bait laid out.

 

[mara]

I didn't mean to suggest that going back to earlier editions was supported historically (niether do I believe it). What I do believe is that when the novelty of 3E and 3.5 wears out, and people start getting bored (but don't want to play 4E) they might.......Just might give 1E a few tries, just to see what all the fuss is about. I mean, why not? I've actually read some threads around the web of 3E players running OSRIC to see what its all about (even though OSRIC wasn't initially designed to be anything but a publishers tool).

I bought some cheap 1e books to see what the fuss was all about. [Started playing with 2e, gleefully converted after a session with someone other than our previous 2e-uber-alles DM. Yes, they exist. Be afraid.] After reading them, laughing heartily, and thanking the gods of market research, I continued playing 3E. If my group were to get bored with it and switch systems, it would be to Iron Heroes or something non-D&D like White Wolf, not 1e.

 

[mhacdebhandia]

There is no reason DF posters should feel unwelcome at ENworld, just as there is no reason to expect ENworld posters to feel unwelcome at DF. If 4E becomes the smash its likely to, we will all soon be OOPs (to WOTC anyway) and at least will have that in common.

Not that I disagree that EN World should be a home for players of all editions of D&D - not least because it means that players of older editions have to tacitly admit that Third Edition is D&D to hang out here - but . . . this seems a little off, to me.

Why do you think that the EN World Third Edition-playing community as a whole is unlikely to switch to Fourth Edition? I would venture to suggest that the reason most people play Third Edition is because they consider it the best edition, or because they play with people who do.

There's no reason to believe that Fourth Edition won't attract the vast majority of D&D players. Perhaps not the vast majority of people currently playing First Edition AD&D and other older editions, but the vast majority of D&D players as a whole.

There's likewise no reason to believe that EN World, as a whole, will not adopt Fourth Edition.

I just don't see where you're coming from with your "we'll all be in the same OOP basket soon enough!" statements. Indeed, after all the venom that has been spat by players of older editions toward those playing Third Edition, I would imagine that diehard Third Edition players who refuse to switch to Fourth Edition wouldn't feel much solidarity with their supposed "comrades".

 

[mhacdebhandia]

There is no "fuss" about First Edition, for the gods' sake. There's no swelling tide of interest in older editions of D&D - all you're seeing is the selective self-reinforced perception of a fangroup bouncing back upon itself. Lots of chatter about First Edition/OSRIC/Castles & Crusades on Dragonsfoot, EN World, and Knights & Knaves != "fuss".

It's just a vocal eruption from the same people who were always interested in older versions of D&D.

 

[Nightfall]

I declare my Civil War.

It feeds me while burying the suckers!

 

[Sound of Azure]

I declare my Civil War.

It feeds me Orcus while burying the suckers!

FIFY, Nightfall.