Diplomatic Immunity OOC: The Third

[Bront]

It's hard to dump Dex though. You have to keep it at least decent. Con too or you go poof unless you use the super Bard-and-Monk defense ability to protect yourself against intelligent enemies.

True. I may have to settle for a 14 str then (I dislike point buy, simply because I don't agree with a 17 over a 16 being 3 times better than an 11 over a 10, or even a 12 over an 11.) I had origionaly hoped for an 18, but that wasn't going to work.

 

[Rystil Arden]

True. I may have to settle for a 14 str then (I dislike point buy, simply because I don't agree with a 17 over a 16 being 3 times better than an 11 over a 10, or even a 12 over an 11.) I had origionaly hoped for an 18, but that wasn't going to work.

But an 18 over an 8 is definitely 4x as good as a 12 over an 8.

(OOC: Not that Selene is complaining! )

 

[Bront]

But an 18 over an 8 is definitely 4x as good as a 12 over an 8.

(OOC: Not that Selene is complaining! )

I guess, but a 16 over an 8 is 3x as good, but isn't stated out that way. a 14 over an 8 is 2x as good...

 

[Rystil Arden]

I guess, but a 16 over an 8 is 3x as good, but isn't stated out that way. a 14 over an 8 is 2x as good...

Perhaps, but the question is this:

Is an 18 over 8 really only worth 2.5x as much as a 12 over 8?

 

[Bront]

Perhaps, but the question is this:

Is an 18 over 8 really only worth 2.5x as much as a 12 over 8?

Actualy, that's closer. Technicaly, a 12 over 8 is worth +3, an 18 over 8 is worth +5, so it's in theory only worth 1.666666.

Depends on how you define worth. Is it the net change? Or the Net Bonus?

 

[Rystil Arden]

Actualy, that's closer. Technicaly, a 12 over 8 is worth +3, an 18 over 8 is worth +5, so it's in theory only worth 1.666666.

Depends on how you define worth. Is it the net change? Or the Net Bonus?

Well, I would define change more qualitatively:

If this is an important stat for me, how much would it help to raise it from 8 to 12? Will it be enough to be effective? What about 18?

 

[Bront]

Well, I would define change more qualitatively:

If this is an important stat for me, how much would it help to raise it from 8 to 12? Will it be enough to be effective? What about 18?

Yeah, and in generaly, I tend to find that while an 18 is effective, I don't think I've ever made a character where I felt it would be effective to have an 18 compaired to what else I lost using a point buy.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Yeah, and in generaly, I tend to find that while an 18 is effective, I don't think I've ever made a character where I felt it would be effective to have an 18 compaired to what else I lost using a point buy.

In 32 Point Buy, I can definitely see 18 being worth the price for a Wizard, but you're right that it's a big hit for most classes. The point of PB is to make the players pay dearly for that 18 to cut down on powergaming combos, in general.

 

[Bront]

In 32 Point Buy, I can definitely see 18 being worth the price for a Wizard, but you're right that it's a big hit for most classes. The point of PB is to make the players pay dearly for that 18 to cut down on powergaming combos, in general.

Agreed on that aspect, and come to think of it, I did build a wizard with an 18 Int (Zan, in my full sig, game is dying, though BrOp just appeared and appologized).

I was so looking forward to eventualy going Loremaster/Recaster (The Recaster is a cool PrC from Races of Eberron. Not neessesarily overly powerful, but definately a lot of fun and flavorful with cool metamagical abilities)

 

[Rystil Arden]

Agreed on that aspect, and come to think of it, I did build a wizard with an 18 Int (Zan, in my full sig, game is dying, though BrOp just appeared and appologized).

I was so looking forward to eventualy going Loremaster/Recaster (The Recaster is a cool PrC from Races of Eberron. Not neessesarily overly powerful, but definately a lot of fun and flavorful with cool metamagical abilities)

I think I looked at Recaster briefly in my little brother's book. Isn't that a Changeling class or am I just remembering wrong?

Another example of where 18 is definitely worth it is for a Druid Level 6 or above, particularly if you get to start the campaign near level 6 (Bwahahahahahaha)