Director picked for 'Batman vs. Superman' movie

[Agback]

Re: Re: The Dark Knight Returns

Err.. yes, I have.

How long was that "fight"?

Not very long, from what I recall. The fight with croc was the highlight of the series.

The actual fight was only eight and a half pages, but it was only the climax of a much longer conflict.

What croc are you talking about?

Not really, iirc, the supes from that is not quite the shining example of truth, justice, and the american way.

Depends what you think of the American way, I guess. Superman in The Dark Knight Returns seems pretty much okay to me, except that he is too ready to accept the authority of the Government and too slow to question the political process. And I guess Miller's point was that he was afraid that that was becoming the American way.

Argh, I must be tired- I could have swore that line was from the sequel, Dark Knight Strikes Again.

I don't think so. I haven't read such a sequel, and I checked the quote in my copy of The Dark Knight Returns before I posted. It is in what was originally the fourth and final issue of the series, The Dark Knight Falls, on the sixth-last page, top left frame.

I guess you're probably right though. I have been wishing to see a movie made of The Dark Knight Returns since 1986, but this probably isn't it. Again.

Who would you cast? De Niro can be eight feet tall.

Regards,


Agback

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Re: Re: Re: The Dark Knight Returns

Who would you cast? De Niro can be eight feet tall.

You know who would be perfect- Sam Elliot.

He has the presence and can play the battered and grumpy warrior- he was awesome in We Were Soldiers.

FD

 

[Viking Bastard]

You do all realise that this film is a team-up movie right?

It's not entered on them fighting.

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According to a script review a couple of months back, the bad guyy will be Lex Luthor (they're using the lex-pretends-to-be-his-son-after-faking-his-own-death story from the comics, so now Supes has to battle the fact that his long time nemesis is suddenly thought of as a nice good legal business man (who just had a father with a shady past). He sees it's just Lex but nobody believes him.

Lex is doing some illegal arms business in Gotham city (involving lasers and huge robots). Supes follows him there. Batman starts beating up Lex's guys so he creates a distraction for him and clones the Joker, making Batman get all mental.

Somewhere around here Supes gets into a huge fight with huge anime-like robots.

When the Joker thing doesn't work out, Lex gets Supes somehow to attack Bats. They fight, realize who the real bad guy is and well, you know, kick buttocs.

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Of course that was an old script, and considering how quick Hollywood is to rewrite, the script it might be all different now.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Anyone remember the comic World's Finest? From way back, the 1940s IIRC. It's been redone countless times, including an outstanding cartoon from a few years back. It's the defining illustration of the Batman/Superman relationship. When Bats and Supes first meet, it's shown that Batman would physically be no match at all. But, an aspect of Bats that's often forgotten today is that he's the world's greatest detective, and a genius. Supes is smart, but not like Batman, and Batman has more of an insight into the human psyche, including that of Superman (who was raised as a human).

Essentially, Batman and Superman are the Yin-Yang of the DC universe, and are essentially equal. They always battle each other to a standstill, then begrudgingly decide to work together.

Yeah, I spent too much of my youth reading this stuff...

 

[myrdden]

Re: The Dark Knight Returns

I take it that you haven't read Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns". That would make a great movie. And its outline is compatible with the description of "Batman vs. Superman" at the site Morrus posted.

"It wasn't easy to synthesise, Clark... took years... and it cost a fortune. Luckily, I had both."

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Here's hoping for the best, but expecting the worst (or mediocre)

Myrdden

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Salutations,

A bit more info..

Cinescape info on film..

I still think that unless they tone down Supes, any confrontation would end in 30 seconds.

Essentially, Batman and Superman are the Yin-Yang of the DC universe, and are essentially equal. They always battle each other to a standstill, then begrudgingly decide to work together.

It is ironic that what you see as the yin-yang of DC, is what turned me off to their whole comic line.

You have a series where you have heroes/villians at two extremes. Some that are little more then normal people and others that are closer to gods. Why villians that could oppose the godly heroes but eventually lose, would not move to a normal hero city is beyond me. And on the otherside of the coin- why the godly heroes would not lend a weekend and clean up one of the normal hero's city for them..

Yes, I know.. it is a bit more complicated then that, but the two extremes bother me.

FD

 

[Sulimo]

It is ironic that what you see as the yin-yang of DC, is what turned me off to their whole comic line.

You have a series where you have heroes/villians at two extremes. Some that are little more then normal people and others that are closer to gods. Why villians that could oppose the godly heroes but eventually lose, would not move to a normal hero city is beyond me. And on the otherside of the coin- why the godly heroes would not lend a weekend and clean up one of the normal hero's city for them..

Yes, I know.. it is a bit more complicated then that, but the two extremes bother me.

FD

You know Marvel also suffers from similar problems. Its a problem of them wanting to bring all their heroes and villains into a single framework rather than having them all seperate. Although for the most part, except when the respective companies want a crossover, they act as if they are all in seperate universes.

Actually, some campaign worlds have similar issues. Take Faerun for example, where there are a bunch of world-shaking NPC's, who for reason of their own decide to sit out many great fights and let lower level heroes (PC's) deal with the problem.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

You know Marvel also suffers from similar problems. Its a problem of them wanting to bring all their heroes and villains into a single framework rather than having them all seperate. Although for the most part, except when the respective companies want a crossover, they act as if they are all in seperate universes.

The difference would be there is a fuzzy line between the power levels of the marvel heroes- that can be slightly crossed and still be "reasonable". That line becomes a chasm in DC- and they have to go to extra steps to make that chasm "reasonable".

Batman in the JLA is a good example- with people of near-godlike powers (Supes, WW, Flash, GreenLanter, Manhunter, heck.. they have been boosting Aquadork's powers), yet they seem to go to bizarre lengths to justify batman's place on the team. (The whole martian fiasco comes to mind.)

Actually, some campaign worlds have similar issues. Take Faerun for example, where there are a bunch of world-shaking NPC's, who for reason of their own decide to sit out many great fights and let lower level heroes (PC's) deal with the problem.

Heh, oy.. so the correlary example is Elminster versus my 10th lvl shadow-weave/wizard? I guess I will stick with my concern over the conflict.

Mental telepathy to director: Fire stupid 'Seven' writer. Hire cartoon writers who already did it, and well. Keep Harley in the story.. Harley! Harley!

FD

 

[WizarDru]

The difference would be there is a fuzzy line between the power levels of the marvel heroes- that can be slightly crossed and still be "reasonable". That line becomes a chasm in DC- and they have to go to extra steps to make that chasm "reasonable".

Batman in the JLA is a good example- with people of near-godlike powers (Supes, WW, Flash, GreenLanter, Manhunter, heck.. they have been boosting Aquadork's powers), yet they seem to go to bizarre lengths to justify batman's place on the team. (The whole martian fiasco comes to mind.)FD

Actually, in Marvel's world, most of the heroes are fairly stratified. When Galactus breezes into town, Spidey and Daredevil are shown hanging out on a rooftop, sitting it out. They cover a pretty wide range, just like the DC universe.

Batman isn't a heavy-hitter on straight powers, but his other talents (and his mania) more than compensate for this. The real problem with the JLA is that they are all so powerful, the threats have to be of ridiculous level to compensate. When most of the individuals can defeat world-threats on their own, the level of incredulity has to increase. Most of the JLA (and Avengers, for that matter) require a diverse set of skills to combat a wide variety of threats...characters like Batman address this.

That, and you need to consider the first rule of the DC Universe: "With enough preparation time and resources, Batman can defeat ANYONE."

The fact of the matter is that the concept is sound for a movie. The animated film will be hard to beat, though. The director of 'Das Boot' and the writer of 'Seven' are certainly better than some choices that could have been made...if they 'get it'.

"So you're the Batman. I heard you were crazy...didn't know you were stupid." -- Superman, after Batman attempts to punch him.

 

[Sulimo]

That, and you need to consider the first rule of the DC Universe: "With enough preparation time and resources, Batman can defeat ANYONE."

Yeah. A perfect example of this is the excellent 'Tower of Babel' story in the current Justice League comic series.

The fact of the matter is that the concept is sound for a movie. The animated film will be hard to beat, though. The director of 'Das Boot' and the writer of 'Seven' are certainly better than some choices that could have been made...if they 'get it'.

"So you're the Batman. I heard you were crazy...didn't know you were stupid." -- Superman, after Batman attempts to punch him.

I guess so. Given WB's track record I think I would have much rather had seen Dini & Timm hired to create a animated feature for the big screen (Mask of the Phantasm is still probably my fave comic adaption). They had gotten all the characters down perfectly though the various series and direct-to-video movies.