Discovery Trailer

[MarkB]

Note to every prequel writer: stay the frak away from completely new tech, or races, or events.

Personally, my "note to every prequel writer" would be "stop writing prequels - look to the future, not to nostalgia."

Still, I'm still enjoying this series. It feels like it knows where it's going, and I'm interested to find out.

 

[Mallus]

Why couldn't they have written a positive optimistic story about how one of Treks existing trademark techs came about to be? The ship having adventure to create transports, phasers, photon torpedoes, tricorders?

It would be challenging to write positive, optimistic stories about the genesis of phasers & photon torpedos. They're weapons of mass destruction (the ship-mounted versions, at least).

The hippie gaia tech makes me retch.

There's precedent for that sort of organic technology, though: the giant space bacteria, Species 867-5309 (sp) and Fluid Space, etc. I also kinda liked that way spore-demo recalled the Iconian gates, as if to suggest they shared a common underlying technology.

The casual way logic is thrown out the window makes me think of the films (and not in a good way).

I didn't like Angry Tory Foster dropping the containment field, but thinking back the issue was the direction; scene's too short. We see the bio-monitors dropping & hear the computer state the knockout protocol worked, but the action moved too fast not to seem reckless & illogical.

In stark contrast, I'm looking forward to the next Orville very much.

It's surprisingly good, isn't it? Better than Seth McFarlane's direct-from-video-to-video sequel to ST:TNG has any right being (and I like Seth).

 

[Hussar]

FYI... "tardi-pig" has replaced "Ensign Daft Punk" as my favorite piece of Discovery-based snark.

The 4th episode was uneven, but the end half (third?) was outright thrilling. Loved Lorca's manipulative-yet-truthful ship-wide broadcast and the fantastic bit at the end with Georgiou's holo-will. Are Lorca and Discovery the beginnings of Section 31, i.e. is it named *for* his ship?

Discovery is an odd mix of obvious and unpredictable - I honestly don't know what's coming next (and can't wait to find out). It does bears the marks of its troubled development, but the result is far more compelling than I expected. Potentially unpopular opinion: so far this is easily the strongest first season of a Star Trek series since TOS.

That I would very much agree with. Certainly best first season. Although, to be fair, that's a REALLY low bar.

And, pretty much everything [MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION] hates, I love.

 

[CapnZapp]

Loved Lorca's manipulative-yet-truthful ship-wide broadcast

A good example of going against everything we love about Trek. Simple manipulative bullying.

That doesn't mean I think it's outright bad, it just moves the captain closer to the "evil" position, and it reinforces my growing belief that I need to resign myself to the show being much more of generic action sci-fi than actual Star Trek, just like the films.

Discovery isn't an outright bad sci-fi show (even though the ugly writing that was the XOs stupid death pushes it), but it doesn't come close to pushing the correct Trek buttons for me.



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[CapnZapp]

Personally, my "note to every prequel writer" would be "stop writing prequels

Ain't it true!



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[CapnZapp]

There's precedent.

I am well aware Star Trek has had its share of the silly and the stupid before.

That doesn't justify having it again, though...



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[CapnZapp]

And, pretty much everything [MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION] hates, I love.

Assuming you want a reply since you both quote and mention:

As I said much of what I "hate" is from a Trek perspective.

Certain things is just plain bad (death of XO) but what sci-fi show is perfect?

Other aspects are fine - for a sci-fi show in general. Such as egotistical manipulative crew members. A "dark" theme. Or a focus on a single protagonist.

So as long as you don't specifically like how Discovery is taking a crap on everything Star Trek stands/used to stand for, I don't have anything especially interesting to add.



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[Hussar]

A good example of going against everything we love about Trek. Simple manipulative bullying.

That doesn't mean I think it's outright bad, it just moves the captain closer to the "evil" position, and it reinforces my growing belief that I need to resign myself to the show being much more of generic action sci-fi than actual Star Trek, just like the films.

Discovery isn't an outright bad sci-fi show (even though the ugly writing that was the XOs stupid death pushes it), but it doesn't come close to pushing the correct Trek buttons for me.



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I take it you're very, very much in the Roddenberry camp of "no conflict in the crew"?

To me, that makes for an unbelievably boring TV show. I actually took the time to rewatch all the Star Trek series from TOS to Voyager (skipped Enterprise, heh) before Discovery came out. Watching those shows after a very long hiatus has made me realize that a very, very large swath of the ST series were not to my taste. Endless board meetings around tables does not make for interesting viewing for me. There's an awful lot of dross out there in the Tv shows.

Having flawed characters makes the series so much more enjoyable for me. Is it "taking a crap" on all things Star Trek? Meh, don't care. Could not care in the slightest about tradition. Never did. It's just not even remotely a consideration for me when judging something.

 

[Morrus]

It’s tone is Wrath of Khan not TNG. As WoK is my favourite Trek film, and my go-to for what I consider to be Trek, it’s working for me. Wrath of Khan is totally different to TOS is totally different to The Voyage Home (my second favourite Trek) is totally different to DS9 is totally different to TMP.

Trek is different things to different people. I love WoK and TVH, which are a dark sci-fi military/naval drama and a (then) light-hearted contemporary comedy, respectively. Both utterly different to each other.

I didn't get into Voyager, and didn’t think DS9 was nearly as good as most seem to. Discovery is better than either of those things, IMO. And I found Enterprise to be pretty weak.

 

[MarkB]

Assuming you want a reply since you both quote and mention:

As I said much of what I "hate" is from a Trek perspective.

Certain things is just plain bad (death of XO) but what sci-fi show is perfect?

Other aspects are fine - for a sci-fi show in general. Such as egotistical manipulative crew members. A "dark" theme. Or a focus on a single protagonist.

So as long as you don't specifically like how Discovery is taking a crap on everything Star Trek stands/used to stand for, I don't have anything especially interesting to add.

Um, have you seen the original series lately? Pretty much every single guest-star member of Starfleet were egotists who would have made the Discovery's captain and crew look like paragons of virtue and competence by comparison. And this is the series that popularised the concept of "redshirts". Killing someone off to illustrate the wrong approach was pretty much its go-to move.