Discovery Trailer

[Mallus]

Although, to be fair, that's a REALLY low bar.

Yeah... I wouldn't want to limbo under it, that's for sure.

One of these days I need to revisit the first season of DS9. My hazy memory of it is it was kinda interesting, but mostly dull, until they began the long lead up the the Dominion War.

 

[Mallus]

Pretty much every single guest-star member of Starfleet were egotists who would have made the Discovery's captain and crew look like paragons of virtue and competence by comparison.

Paging Dr. Richard Daystrom...

Paging Captain Ron Tracy...

Paging Doctor Roger Corby...

Paging evil shrink guy from "The Dagger of the Mind"...

And so on. Many mistakes were made in the early days of the Federation.

 

[Mallus]

A good example of going against everything we love about Trek. Simple manipulative bullying.

I agree that's one way to read the scene.

On the other hand, it's also Lorca *motivating* his crew to accomplish a very Federation-like goal: saving unarmed colonists under attack. And he doesn't berate or threaten the entire crew (well, just Stamets), all he does is play the colonists desperate pleas for help; he makes it clear what's at stake.

I won't call it subtle, but I do think it works, and in part because the way you read it is also valid.

edit: what do you think of Captain Georgiou's will-soliloquy? To me that's quintessential idealist Trek.

 

[MarkB]

One of these days I need to revisit the first season of DS9. My hazy memory of it is it was kinda interesting, but mostly dull, until they began the long lead up the the Dominion War.

The two-part pilot is very good as pilot episodes go, and really sets the themes the series would thrive on in later seasons. Aside from that, there are maybe a couple of gems, but it's very uneven - it took them the better part of two seasons to really get away from the episodic nature of previous shows and start telling larger storylines.

 

[Ryujin]

Paging Dr. Richard Daystrom...

Paging Captain Ron Tracy...

Paging Doctor Roger Corby...

Paging evil shrink guy from "The Dagger of the Mind"...

And so on. Many mistakes were made in the early days of the Federation.

All of whom were shown as aberrations and dealt with as such.

 

[Mallus]

All of whom were shown as aberrations and dealt with as such.

They were aberrations that popped up every two or three weeks! And in Daystrom's case, enough of his reputation remained after the M-5 incident that he still got an institute named after him.

I think the thing to remember is we're still in Act 1. This is going to play out over the course of entire season, not a single hour episode. I'm fairly sure Lorca will be dealt with in a way the honors the idealistic spirit of Star Trek by the end. I'd put 20 quatloos on it!

 

[Ryujin]

They were aberrations that popped up every two or three weeks! And in Daystrom's case, enough of his reputation remained after the M-5 incident that he still got an institute named after him.

I think the thing to remember is we're still in Act 1. This is going to play out over the course of entire season, not a single hour episode. I'm fairly sure Lorca will be dealt with in a way the honors the idealistic spirit of Star Trek by the end. I'd put 20 quatloos on it!

Three seasons of TOS and you name 4; some of them not Starfleet. I'd say that's not a very bad record.

 

[CapnZapp]

I take it you're very, very much in the Roddenberry camp of "no conflict in the crew"?

To me, that makes for an unbelievably boring TV show. I actually took the time to rewatch all the Star Trek series from TOS to Voyager (skipped Enterprise, heh) before Discovery came out. Watching those shows after a very long hiatus has made me realize that a very, very large swath of the ST series were not to my taste. Endless board meetings around tables does not make for interesting viewing for me. There's an awful lot of dross out there in the Tv shows.

Having flawed characters makes the series so much more enjoyable for me. Is it "taking a crap" on all things Star Trek? Meh, don't care. Could not care in the slightest about tradition. Never did. It's just not even remotely a consideration for me when judging something.

Thank you for enabling me to put an appropriate value on your continued comments.

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[MarkB]

Three seasons of TOS and you name 4; some of them not Starfleet. I'd say that's not a very bad record.

Where did anyone say that it was all the examples available in three seasons? For that matter, can you name more than four major guest-star Starfleet characters in those three seasons who weren't either power-hungry or delusional or incompetent?

 

[CapnZapp]

Um, have you seen the original series lately? Pretty much every single guest-star member of Starfleet were egotists who would have made the Discovery's captain and crew look like paragons of virtue and competence by comparison. And this is the series that popularised the concept of "redshirts". Killing someone off to illustrate the wrong approach was pretty much its go-to move.

If what you're trying to say is you believe Captain Orca is such a guest-star that's excellent.

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