Discovery Trailer

[Dannyalcatraz]

The bi-weekly mutinies on Voyager are a bit of a running gag.

Sounds like they're going to need a bigger brig.

 

[Ryujin]

Airlocks save space.

 

[Jester David]

I value a middle ground in terms of the Roddenberry Rule. Too much adherence stifles drama. But it's still a utopian show and you don't want cheap drama based on secrets, misunderstandings, or personal biases.

Conflict should be driven by people who both believe they're right, and both have a point and reason for their beliefs. Both sides should have merit without seeming cheap or forced. That drives some of the best Trek moral quandaries.
Instead of a rule it should be a firm guideline. You can break it, but you need to justify it every time and the reasons need to be worthwhile.

The darker shows like DS9 worked because it came after five years of TNG. And it built to the darkness and conflicted and flawed characters. Trek had earned the right to look behind the gilded shine of utopia.

I don't need cheap, forced CW drama in my Star Trek, with characters at each other's throats and pushed to be at odds with each other for the flimsiest of story reasons. They're the crew of a starship, not attractive twenty-somethings in a hospital setting forming love parallelograms and fighting!

 

[Ryujin]

I don't need cheap, forced CW drama in my Star Trek, with characters at each other's throats and pushed to be at odds with each other for the flimsiest of story reasons. They're the crew of a starship, not attractive twenty-somethings in a hospital setting forming love parallelograms and fighting!

Exactly. It's that sort of thing that resulted in me dropping the DC TV shows; who is sleeping with who this week, whose ulterior motives are being revealed ('cause they all have them), etc..

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Airlocks save space.

Maybe that's how the Klingons' "dead people armor" started.

"Attempted mutiny? 30 days on the hull!!!"

"But sir, there is only enough..."

"SILENCE!!! Or do you wish to join him?"

"Shushing, sir."

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Another thought about those coffins...

I can't help but imagine Quentin Tarentino seeing that scene and thinking about a Pulp Fictionesque take on that practice's origins.

"Did you notice a sign out in front of my shipyard that said "Dead Klingon Storage"? "

"No. I didn't."

"You know WHY you didn't see that sign?"

"Why?"

"'Cause it ain't there, 'cause storing dead Klingons ain't my ******* business, that's why,"

 

[Hussar]

/snip

"Shushing, sir."

"Did he just shush me" had to be the most hilarious line I've ever seen in Star Trek, from Episode 3. It was just so freaking funny.

And, i agree that we don't want to devolve into melodrama here. Fair enough. But, that doesn't seem to be the case as of yet. Lorca's beliefs are grounded and pretty darn believable. They really are at war. And, in the face of extinction, which is a real possibility if you're at war with the Klingons, any alternative can seem justifiable. And Michael's drama as well seems pretty believable to me. The notion that logic leads down a bad path and the need for redemption.

Heck, the only character that doesn't seem to be terribly flawed is Saru. But, even his, "This is a bad place, we should run away" approach in the pilot was against what Star Fleet stands for. Then you have the conflict between the scientists and the captain. Just really good thought provoking stuff.

Which, to me, is what Star Trek is all about.

 

[CapnZapp]

I value a middle ground in terms of the Roddenberry Rule. Too much adherence stifles drama. But it's still a utopian show and you don't want cheap drama based on secrets, misunderstandings, or personal biases.

Conflict should be driven by people who both believe they're right, and both have a point and reason for their beliefs. Both sides should have merit without seeming cheap or forced. That drives some of the best Trek moral quandaries.
Instead of a rule it should be a firm guideline. You can break it, but you need to justify it every time and the reasons need to be worthwhile.

The darker shows like DS9 worked because it came after five years of TNG. And it built to the darkness and conflicted and flawed characters. Trek had earned the right to look behind the gilded shine of utopia.

I don't need cheap, forced CW drama in my Star Trek, with characters at each other's throats and pushed to be at odds with each other for the flimsiest of story reasons. They're the crew of a starship, not attractive twenty-somethings in a hospital setting forming love parallelograms and fighting!

Exactly this.

Thank you.

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[Hussar]

But, again, is the drama "cheap and forced"? Doesn't seem so to me. These are pretty believable characters so far. Granted, we haven't had much time to really dig into the characters, but, nothing seems "cheap and forced" yet.

 

[Morrus]

OK, next episode - here we go! This show is definitely the one I’m most excited for each week (since Game of Thrones ended). There aren’t any others I look forward to like this at present.