Discussion for a Kingdom of ashes OOC II

[The_Universe]

Maybe keep the ship, but keep it on the water where it could do some good-have Seaborn give alliegence to us for ship, but we still take one cannon to Hywrl for defences purposes.

This is fine, but if you're going to keep it in the water, you need to keep it hidden, somehow--I'm not sure how, but then that's not really my job.

There are numerous historical instances of people hauling ships overland from one body of water to another, as well as pulling them ashore to hide them. It can go back *in* the water eventually, but it's not doing you any good if it just gets sunk.

One cannon isn't going to do a lot to defend the city, but every little bit helps.

 

[AIM-54]

I am still not sure why we would be trying to get the ship on land. If we have people meeting us at shore, Seaborn, the sailors, and anyone else, there will be lots of people able to convey/relate the story from 'I saw this with my own eyes'. I do not think we need everyone to see it, but we do need some to see it.
Maybe keep the ship, but keep it on the water where it could do some good-have Seaborn give alliegence to us for ship, but we still take one cannon to Hywrl for defences purposes.

As for Yoshi, see there is a reason we have been keeping him around

The main reason, as I understand it, is because having one ship does not a Navy make and, for the foreseeable future, the Draconids will own the waves. It's no good to put Seaborn and Co. on the sea in a situation where they almost assuredly will die. Thus, the scuttle or take inland debate. If we take it in (maybe not all the way to Hyrwl, but somewhere we can hide it), then we still have the ship, and it can be used at some later time...say after we acquire some more ships. Of course, if we take all the cannons to Hyrwl (which we probably should, because those would be damn useful whatever we eventually choose to do in terms of taking back Oceanus, as well as their uses for defense until then), then the ship becomes mostly a nice toy.

Actually, now that I think about it, we should probably put acquiring cannons somewhere on the priority list...they were, after all the weapon that made walls obsolete...

As a note, I use cannons instead of Steel Drakes to avoid confusion, since I believe the same term has been used to identify pistols/muskets as well. If I'm wrong...dammit!

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

The main reason, as I understand it, is because having one ship does not a Navy make and, for the foreseeable future, the Draconids will own the waves. It's no good to put Seaborn and Co. on the sea in a situation where they almost assuredly will die. Thus, the scuttle or take inland debate. If we take it in (maybe not all the way to Hyrwl, but somewhere we can hide it), then we still have the ship, and it can be used at some later time...say after we acquire some more ships. Of course, if we take all the cannons to Hyrwl (which we probably should, because those would be damn useful whatever we eventually choose to do in terms of taking back Oceanus, as well as their uses for defense until then), then the ship becomes mostly a nice toy.

Actually, now that I think about it, we should probably put acquiring cannons somewhere on the priority list...they were, after all the weapon that made walls obsolete...

Just finding a place to hide the thing for a while is an excellent idea, Jeremiah! YAY for you!

That, for now, seems like the best plan of action. We find a place to store it... and then, haul the cannons with us if, indeed, we decide that we need to keep the ship. However, if acquiring the ships ends up easier than we thought, we might just be able to leave ship #1 behind and go back for more later...
Just a thought.

 

[The_Universe]

Actually, now that I think about it, we should probably put acquiring cannons somewhere on the priority list...they were, after all the weapon that made walls obsolete...

As a note, I use cannons instead of Steel Drakes to avoid confusion, since I believe the same term has been used to identify pistols/muskets as well. If I'm wrong...dammit!

Good points, all. As for the stuff quoted above....

Acquiring cannons/using black powder weapons appear to be the only real advantage you have against these guys. Although that may not last, unless the dwarves in Arutha's Forge (the location of one of the major foundries for making steeldrakes) manage to hold out much longer than Oceanus has. Since you're already rebels, you might as well use them, though....if only there was a place where you could get a bunch of them...

As for naming conventions, I can maybe help, here.

Steeldrakes are the general term for ALL blackpowder weapons. The powder itself is referred to as "Drakepowder." Generally, pistols and cannon are referred to as simply "steeldrakes." Usage is used to determine whether you're talking about a big one or a little one. Muskets (as opposed to belt pistols) are referred to as "Draconets."

If you have an idea for a different name for the cannons other than "steeldrake cannons" let me know--I'm open to suggestions.

 

[Archon]

fish are quiet

i have a better idea where we're headed and it sounds good. and Jerimiah as for your SoP for the squad i think in general the human squad is less powerful and flexible. i see the Shadows as focusing more on Sneakery then strength. your take on seems like an elite footsoldier squad as iopposed to my less combat savy "sneak squad". i like that you took a different take on it but i think i like my cheesy "Eyes" and "Menders" better. if you want to open up a new thread to discuss this please do and just leave me a link here. that way we can go into more detail and debate this objectively.
take it easy folks.
mik "Cpt. Sneak"

 

[Archon]

turning gold

this makes my 50th post.
"yay."
go me. i'm still way behind.

 

[The_Universe]

this makes my 50th post.
"yay."
go me. i'm still way behind.

*streamers and confetti fall from the sky*

 

[Xath]

heheheh....what if we set up some kind of explosion in the city and, disguised as draconids, caused a mass panic, spreading the word to flee the city...


SAVE YOURSELVES!!!

Yes, i realize this is a stupid plan. But i thought i'd post it anyway.

 

[Laurel]

The main reason, as I understand it, is because having one ship does not a Navy make and, for the foreseeable future, the Draconids will own the waves. It's no good to put Seaborn and Co. on the sea in a situation where they almost assuredly will die. Thus, the scuttle or take inland debate. If we take it in (maybe not all the way to Hyrwl, but somewhere we can hide it), then we still have the ship, and it can be used at some later time...say after we acquire some more ships. Of course, if we take all the cannons to Hyrwl (which we probably should, because those would be damn useful whatever we eventually choose to do in terms of taking back Oceanus, as well as their uses for defense until then), then the ship becomes mostly a nice toy.

Cool explination that helps thanks!
We may not be given a choice, but if we try and keep the ship- I am not sure if there are rivers around (no maps with me) but that could be an option for hiding inland, but still making it easy to put to sea again. We have to camoflauge it and any tracks it makes being dragged anyways. I would say getting it to hywrl is not needed, but if that's what everyone goes for then okay.

Actually, now that I think about it, we should probably put acquiring cannons somewhere on the priority list...they were, after all the weapon that made walls obsolete...

Absolute agreement here, and though originally we were just gearing for one as proof, getting a few for defenses and proof sounds much more solid and reasonable for cost of life. Though the ship may eventually need the cannons, I think for now most of them can be put to better use defending hywrl/new oceanus.

I guess if we are able to get out undetected we should have ample time to hide ship and get a few cannons to Hywrl/new oceanus.
If something goes wrong priority is getting as many cannons as possible to Hywrl/new oceanus?

 

[Xath]

Oh, I see

Right, on days when I don't have time to check the boards, you guys go through 2-3 pages on the thread. But when I'm here, it's quiet. I get it.