Discussion - General Discussion Thread XI

[Rystil Arden]

Hmm, Tarag certainly has an NPC running the shop while he's away. Does that qualify as having an apprentice?

NPCs don't get craft points--they follow the normal rules for crafting and only craft in adventures. Elthic can pay for a new weapon at the shop and claim flavourwise that he had his old one repaired, though. I mean, it isn't clear that you really get a discount for repairing an old weapon anyway.

 

[Boddynock]

In fact, I have it on good authority that Tarag would take back any standard (non-MW) weapon which Elthic purchased from him, and give him credit equal to the purchase price, on a MW weapon at a later date.

(Seeing as Tarag didn't mention Elthic to Hardin, the NPC minding the store, Elthic'll have to pay normal price for any simple weapon ... but I'm sure he'd feel confident that Tarag would treat him right! )

And if he wants to actually order such a weapon while he's there, Tarag can get to work on it as soon as he gets back to Orussus from the adventure he's currently on.

 

[Rae ArdGaoth]

That sounds about right.

 

[Wik]

Well, I'll hit Tarag's as soon as Elthic gets out of his current adventure (that is, *IF* he gets out... his spear now being a wusy quarterstaff, and all). What's lame about it is, if Tarag were to get out first, he'd have to wait until Elthic was out before the trade could be made - and there could be months of difference.

Now, I'm all for a delay in money, and all that. But if one of us gets out, couldn't we just, say, put the money down, and make the exchange?

For example, if Elthic gets out first, he goes to Tarag's (Tarag is still getting burned alive by fire elementals, or busily healing Galwynn, hint hint) and says "Here's my cash, here's my craft points" and then, instantly gets his shiny new axe or hammer or whatever, and then goes into an adventure (we make checks for Tarag, and all that). Tarag comes out alive, and then finishes his side of the bargain.

The reverse could also be true, with Tarag getting out, and me making an OOC character request for Elthic.

While it may not sync up chronologically, nothing ever will in a PbP - it's the nature of the beast. Of course, either one of us could die in adventure after the exchange is made, which would ruin the versimilitude, but it's a simple to retcon and say "hey, Elthic had his sword made by Tarag's assistant, then". And it's an even simpler matter if Elthic dies or doesn't get his funds - Tarag simply gets his craft points back.

(to make things easier if doing things way, Tarag can't spend money that Elthic has given him until Elthic gets out of the adventure, and is acctually able to SPEND that money).

It's really a minor point, and I have a feeling that we're both going to be getting out of encounter at the same time (and even if not, Elthic *is* in Orussus right now), but I think a more fluid system would allow for greater use of the job system.

My two cents.

P.S. if he gets the money, Elthic plans on getting a masterwork weapon made. He'll be taking fighter at level 2, so it'll be a martial weapon. Probably not a war axe, though - given his current predicament, I think it may just be a warhammer.

 

[Rystil Arden]

In fact, I have it on good authority that Tarag would take back any standard (non-MW) weapon which Elthic purchased from him, and give him credit equal to the purchase price, on a MW weapon at a later date.

(Seeing as Tarag didn't mention Elthic to Hardin, the NPC minding the store, Elthic'll have to pay normal price for any simple weapon ... but I'm sure he'd feel confident that Tarag would treat him right! )

And if he wants to actually order such a weapon while he's there, Tarag can get to work on it as soon as he gets back to Orussus from the adventure he's currently on.

You're not allowed to give people deals on anything purchased from the regular store part of your shop, only on the things you craft yourself, unless you are taking the difference out of your own pockets, of course.

 

[Erekose13]

The other exception is if you've already made it and have it in stock. Rinaldo always has magic items in stock for people to buy (not that he made them normally he buys them from other adventurers).

 

[Velmont]

Yeah, I just sell this month a rapier +1, two studded leather +1, 5 scrolls of CLW... all bought to other adventurers.

By the way, if an adventure end and you have some magical item to sell, Rinaldo's shop have much money and buy everything at 60% of the market price instead of 50%.

 

[Rystil Arden]

It is critically important, however, to note that Rinaldo buys all the items in his stock using his own pocket money. If Rinaldo can't afford it from that, he has to have the shop buy it at 50%, and then he isn't allowed to discount it.

 

[Boddynock]

You're not allowed to give people deals on anything purchased from the regular store part of your shop, only on the things you craft yourself, unless you are taking the difference out of your own pockets, of course.

Who said anything about a deal on the weapon purchased from standard stock? What I said was that if Elthic paid standard rates for a non-MW weapon, Tarag would treat that as a deposit on the MW weapon, provided he returned the standard weapon.

Elthic gets his weapon, pays the normal rate for it, uses it for a time, returns it and pays the balance (less what Tarag can, legitimately, discount) for a MW weapon.

There's no nett profit for Tarag, and no nett gain for Elthic, since he only has one weapon at a time. And the shop doesn't lose any stock.

Hmm, on second thoughts there is some nett gain for Elthic, since he ends up having the use of an interim weapon for free. Mind you, he doesn't have the use of the cash equal to its cost price for the period that he holds the weapon. Normally he'd buy a weapon for X and sell it for half X. In the case of the warhammer Wik mentioned, that'd be 6 gp.

Still, given the roleplay between Tarag and Elthic, I think the gesture would be in character. But regardless of that, Elthic could still order the weapon and Tarag work on it once he got back.

What's more, I think Wik's take on the chronological difficulties of PbP is a reasonable one. I'd like to see us adopt such a system in general.

 

[Rystil Arden]

The trouble is the misuse of the 'generic weapons not crafted by Tarag' in the shop (in other words, the random floating infinite weapons that are just assumed to be there).

If you take the intermediate weapon out of those weapons, you are not allowed to discount them to friends, relatives, or even yourself! When you have him return it, unless Tarag pays for it or credits it directly out of his own money, you aren't allowed to give him more than 50% value for it, the standard sell price. You aren't allowed to make the shop give him a full sellback value. In other words, unless you use your own money for it, all items not made or bought by you must be treated as they would for any other NPC shop. For instance, diSenzio's only offers discounts on goods Rinaldo has personally purchased for his shop out of pocket (and pocket includes profits made by the store on those special goods, of course).

Here's another way to look at it--when Elthic buys one of the non-special generic weapons, Tarag gets 0 gp from that transaction. When Elthic sells that same weapon back for half price, again Tarag gets 0 gp (unless Tarag pays for it out of his own money). Therefore, by giving Elthic full value on the weapon, you are creating a loss of half the value.