Dispel happy Druid

[Nail]

So.....the DM is asking for a dispel check when the druid casts Dispel Magic, right?

 

[jason_gosse]

So.....the DM is asking for a dispel check when the druid casts Dispel Magic, right?

No he was not but he is awear of it now.

 

[jason_gosse]

For me, that's the line I draw for cheating. I'm impressed you're calling him on it, and don't fault you for it one bit. It's only fair.

I would not call it cheating, he seems to believe that he is working within the rules. What I find it odd that he claims to have played for years and played the same Char most of the time. Some type of half dragon, normally a druid. Yet I, who have only played for a little over a year, keep catching him on these things. I have spent much of our precious game time arguing with. One example of this is the fact that I had to explain to our Happy Druid that SR is overcome with, if I recall, a d20 + CL. He was using his spell DC and argued the fact even after I showed him in the book. He did not understand what it was I or the book were saying.

 

[mvincent]

BTW: Can anyone find the spot where it says: "Constructs aren't subject to Dispel Magic"?

Actually, some constructs (like a permanently animated object, or an intelligent magic item) can indeed be affect by dispel magic.

However, you FAQ quote of "Golems are not magic items" should solve most other issues. Good catch.

We can substitute "any construct that is not a spell effect" for "golem" in this quote.

I don't believe we can do that (as this would rule out intelligent magic items, which was stated are affected), but I reckon we get the idea.

 

[Legildur]

I'm the sort of guy who reminds the DM that my PC is poisoned....

We have a sign made up that we pass from player to player. The sign (the name of a past player who regularly put his foot i his mouth) is passed to a player when they remind the DM of something that is disadvantageous to the party.

While we make a big joke of it, it makes me smile as it demonstrates a level of maturity in the group.

I regularly get passed the sign. But one of the reasons why I assist the DM in rules that is poor for the party, it means that when I make a statement that is for our good, the DM knows I'm being fair.

 

[Nail]

I don't believe we can do that (as this would rule out intelligent magic items, which was stated are affected), but I reckon we get the idea.

Intelligent magic items are not contructs. Intelligent magic items are...well...magic items. They are affected by Dispel Magic (and Antimagic).

 

[billd91]

I would not call it cheating, he seems to believe that he is working within the rules. What I find it odd that he claims to have played for years and played the same Char most of the time. Some type of half dragon, normally a druid. Yet I, who have only played for a little over a year, keep catching him on these things. I have spent much of our precious game time arguing with. One example of this is the fact that I had to explain to our Happy Druid that SR is overcome with, if I recall, a d20 + CL. He was using his spell DC and argued the fact even after I showed him in the book. He did not understand what it was I or the book were saying.

Sounds like he pads his gaming resume a bit. Perhaps he plays under circumstances a bit different from regular table-top (online gaming or computer) where mechanics are more often hidden. Or he's just talking the talk but never walked the walk.

In any event, keep on keeping him honest. It will help your newbie DM a lot.

 

[jason_gosse]

In any event, keep on keeping him honest. It will help your newbie DM a lot.

Thats the plan and the DM has told me to keep him appraised of all the stuff the "happy druid " does that slips past him. I look at all this as a way to gain experience before I do my first tour as DM.

 

[Boondoggle]

BTW: Can anyone find the spot where it says: "Constructs aren't subject to Dispel Magic"?

This argument never works for determining rules. No where doe sit say "Casting a fireball doesn't turn me into an ancient red dragon" either, but that doesn't mean it's allowed. The rules tell you what you can do. If the effect isn't in the rules, it's not legit (baring rule 0, of course).

The druid player seems like the type who wants to 'win' however possible. This is very unfortunate, because it usually takes away from the challenge and the story-telling aspects of the game. Personally, he sounds like he should go play WoW. Regardless, don't let him 'fudge' the rules to make things easier. If something seems suspect, look it up and point it out after the fact instead of wasting game time arguing. Hopefully, after bringing up 'errors' for a few sessions, the rest of the group and the DM will hopefully wise up and he'll stop trying to pull stuf.

 

[Nail]

This argument never works for determining rules. No where doe sit say "Casting a fireball doesn't turn me into an ancient red dragon" either, but that doesn't mean it's allowed.

Follow along:
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Dispel Magic removes magic.

Magic is used to create a construct.

Dispel Magic removes the magic used to create the construct.
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It's easy to show where this is wrong; we've done that above. But don't you see how the mistake could be made, especially by a newbie DM? That's the entire point.