Divine Challange problem - again

[Bayuer]

Hi there. Is this problem solved already? On my last session I argued with my player about use of DC. I first turn he marked an enemy and he engage. On next turn he still fought with the same target but used DC on diffrent 5 squares away. I said he must enege or he will lose DC but he argued that in DC descripiton it's said the he must engage or select diffretn target and he did that. Who's right?

 

[Hypersmurf]

but he argued that in DC descripiton it's said the he must engage or select diffretn target and he did that.

His problem is that he's used Divine Challenge twice. Call them Divine Challenge [1] and Divine Challenge [2].

In round one, he uses Divine Challenge [1] on target A. He attacks target A; no problem. The condition of Divine Challenge [1] (engage target A, or challenge a target other than target A, before the end of his turn) is satisfied.

In round 2, he attacks target A again. He also uses Divine Challenge to challenge target B - call this Divine Challenge [2]. He has satisfied the condition of Divine Challenge [1] (engage target A, or challenge a target other than target A, before the end of his turn) - in fact, he's done both of those things. But Divine Challenge [1] is now ended. Divine Challenge [2] has it's own conditions: engage target B, or challenge a target other than target B, before the end of his turn. And he has done neither of these things.

At the end of his turn, since he has not satisfied the conditions of Divine Challenge [2], the challenge ends; target B is no longer marked, and he cannot use the Divine Challenge power in round 3.

He says "But I challenged a different target!" What he didn't do was challenge a different target than the target of that challenge, which is the requirement.

-Hyp.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

From DDI Compendium:

Effect: You mark the target. The target remains marked until you use this power against another target, or if you fail to engage the target (see below). A creature can be subject to only one mark at a time. A new mark supersedes a mark that was already in place.

[...]

On your turn, you must engage the target you challenged or challenge a different target. To engage the target, you must either attack it or end your turn adjacent to it. If none of these events occur by the end of your turn, the marked condition ends and you can’t use divine challenge on your next turn.

I think that question didn't come up until now.

I'd say your player is right. If you switch targets you don't have to engage it in the same round, but you need to in the following round OR switch the target again.

 

[Ginnel]

His problem is that he's used Divine Challenge twice. Call them Divine Challenge [1] and Divine Challenge [2].

In round one, he uses Divine Challenge [1] on target A. He attacks target A; no problem. The condition of Divine Challenge [1] (engage target A, or challenge a target other than target A, before the end of his turn) is satisfied.

In round 2, he attacks target A again. He also uses Divine Challenge to challenge target B - call this Divine Challenge [2]. He has satisfied the condition of Divine Challenge [1] (engage target A, or challenge a target other than target A, before the end of his turn) - in fact, he's done both of those things. But Divine Challenge [1] is now ended. Divine Challenge [2] has it's own conditions: engage target B, or challenge a target other than target B, before the end of his turn. And he has done neither of these things.

At the end of his turn, since he has not satisfied the conditions of Divine Challenge [2], the challenge ends; target B is no longer marked, and he cannot use the Divine Challenge power in round 3.

He says "But I challenged a different target!" What he didn't do was challenge a different target than the target of that challenge, which is the requirement.

-Hyp.

Very nicely worded and to my mind quite blatently what they (WotC) were getting at.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

After reading Hyp's post I have to admit that he is right.

You use the power again and therefore you have to start reading at the beginning of paragraph 1 under the Effect entry.