D&D 5E DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!

[Maxperson]

The question is :
By moving closer can we see the halfling or the elf?
Falling snow can provide some shadow at distance, by at 5 feet, not really.

It can't provide YOU shadow at that distance, but then you aren't a wood elf with the quasi-supernatural ability to do so.

Same thing for the halfling. He can hide being the paladin. But he you turn around the paladin and negate the cover, do you see him, or need succeed a perception check?

I don't think it really matters if you can discover the halfling. The question is whether or not he can become hidden behind the paladin while being looked at, and he can.

 

[Uller]

When something reveals your position, two things happen: 1) your location is known, and 2) you are no longer hidden. Coincidence? I don't think so.

It depends on how your position is revealed.

Two people are looking for a wood elf hiding in the brush. Person A stumbles close enough so the brush no longer provides an obscurement. He now sees the elf (no longer hidden) and knows his location.

So he tells person B "here is the elf!" and points out the location. But person B is 15' away. The elf remains hidden. B can now guess the elf's location to target him with attacks (so he gets disadvantage). He can't target him with spells or effects that require him to see the target. As a DM I'd probably allow all characters a free perception check to notice the elf once his location is known. But if they fail they would either have to spend an action to get another check (with advantage since they know where to look) or move so that the elf is no longer obscured.

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[Plaguescarred]

The question is :
By moving closer can we see the halfling or the elf?
Falling snow can provide some shadow at distance, by at 5 feet, not really.
Same thing for the halfling. He can hide being the paladin. But he you turn around the paladin and negate the cover, do you see him, or need succeed a perception check?

Not necessarily by moving closer but yes moving in a position where the source of cover or obscurement no longer provide concealment to the creature should automatically expose it indeed. If a natural phenomenon such as a snowfall was to lightly obscured anything more than 15 feet away i would assume coming within 10 feet of a hidden wild elf would reveal it as it no longer has a source of obscurement to hide similar to a creature hiding in darkness onto which a light source is brought in. Likewise for a halfling i assume that if enemies move to a position that the ally is no longer in between to obscure the hidden halfling, it would be noticed as well.

 

[Hriston]

Errr. No? That is absolutely not what the ability says. "You can attempt to hide even when you are only lightly obscured by natural foliage, heavy rain, falling snow, mist, or other similar conditions." It is absolutely 100% clear that it indicates the act of _becoming_ hidden not _staying_ hidden.

Except the part where "attempt to" is mentioned clearly and has to be changed to something else to fit your interpretation to make your interpretation consistent.

Not just remain hidden but try to hide as well is what you fail to understand or accept. Additional condition is if as you say these features can only be used when obscured in their respective fashion while not seen byn prying eyes starring at them, then its additional conditions since anyone can try to hide when not seen anyway!!

Let's read again: ''Naturally Stealthy and Mask of the Wild—do allow members of those subraces to try to hide in their special circumstances even when observers are nearby. Normally, you can’t hide from someone if you’re in full view. A lightfoot halfling, though, can try to vanish behind a creature that is at least one size larger, and a wood elf can try to hide simply by being in heavy rain, mist, falling snow, foliage, or similar natural phenomena.”

It does not say "stay hidden". It says "try to hide".

Attempt to hide = attempt to stay hidden = attempt to keep your location secret. The distinction you make between becoming hidden and staying hidden is of your own creation. Someone trying to keep hidden is trying to hide no matter how long they have been hidden. However, you can't keep your location a secret if the secret has already been given away. In that case, there's no secret to be kept.

 

[Maxperson]

Attempt to hide = attempt to stay hidden = attempt to keep your location secret.

No, that's not true at all. An attempt to hide is an action taken BEFORE you are hidden. You are not attempting to hide if already hidden. An attempt to stay hidden is only performed AFTER you are hidden. You are not attempting to hide as you are already hidden.

The distinction you make between becoming hidden and staying hidden is of your own creation

You're the only one here inventing distinctions. You are literally the only one who is trying to create meanings for "attempt to hide" that don't exist. Everyone else here understands the exception to the rules they created and what they meant with their article.

Someone trying to keep hidden is trying to hide no matter how long they have been hidden.

No. They are hiding. They don't need to try to hide since they have succeeded. They do need to attempt to stay hidden.

 

[Hriston]

No, that's not true at all. An attempt to hide is an action taken BEFORE you are hidden. You are not attempting to hide if already hidden. An attempt to stay hidden is only performed AFTER you are hidden. You are not attempting to hide as you are already hidden.



You're the only one here inventing distinctions. You are literally the only one who is trying to create meanings for "attempt to hide" that don't exist.



No. They are hiding. They don't need to try to hide since they have succeeded. They do need to attempt to stay hidden.

If you stop trying to hide you become unhidden. You need to keep quiet and keep out of sight, etc. That's trying to hide, also known as hiding.

 

[Maxperson]

If you stop trying to hide you become unhidden.

False. If you stop hiding you become unhidden. Nothing in the rules says you need to keep trying to hide every round or if something is in the room.

You need to keep quiet and keep out of sight, etc. That's trying to hide, also known as hiding.

That has all been taking care of by the single roll to hide when you TRIED TO HIDE prior to becoming hidden.

 

[Hriston]

False. If you stop hiding you become unhidden. Nothing in the rules says you need to keep trying to hide every round or if something is in the room.

Who said anything about every round? You just need to keep trying to hide. Not trying to hide is coming out of hiding.

That has all been taking care of by the single roll to hide when you TRIED TO HIDE prior to becoming hidden.

Hiding is a sustained effort. You don't stay hidden because you kept quiet and out of sight prior to becoming hidden. You need to keep doing that or you stop hiding.

 

[Maxperson]

Who said anything about every round? You just need to keep trying to hide. Not trying to hide is coming out of hiding.

Hiding is a sustained effort. You don't stay hidden because you kept quiet and out of sight prior to becoming hidden. You need to keep doing that or you stop hiding.

There is no such rule. The rule is that you roll once to hide and you remain hidden until something ends it. There is no such thing in the rules as a "sustained effort" when it comes to hiding. You don't get to invent rules in order to explain away plain English that proves you wrong.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

It can't provide YOU shadow at that distance, but then you aren't a wood elf with the quasi-supernatural ability to do so.

That's very much up to the DM. Wood elves can hide in light obscurement where other races can't, but it does not magically let them find obscurement where none exists. My ruling would be that falling snow/rain provides exactly 0 obscurement from someone just 5 feet away.