DM : "Your fighter does too much damage. Drop the belt of strength."
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Whisper72
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Dude,
You ask a question, and you get answers. You may not like them, but to act irritated about the views of others is not a fitting reaction.
The issue you put to the table is whether it is 'justified' for a DM to refuse a certain item at the start of a game. The consensus answer is: yes, definately. You initially put it as though it was being taken away, which appears to be untrue.
Furthermore, you claim that 'other PC's can have similar things, no problem, my PC is singled out'. First of all, is this really true, or do they also have stuff refused?
Also, the question from the DM's point of view is (should be) a broader one. Do the other PC's, the thief and mage in your example, also have powerful templates AND powerful PrC AND powerful items geared to optimize the PC's? If so, then maybe your gripe is 'legitimate', otherwise, if I were your DM, all your complaints are whiffles in the wind and would result in a 'take it or find another game' type answer. It is perfectly valid for a DM to try to even the powerlevels of the various PC's, and we are talking about the submission of a PC, not about 'taking away' items your PC has had and earned over time.
My suggestion, following rule zero, is that if you feel the DM is singling you out, and you are not enjoying his style or way of handling his game, then bow out and tell the DM he needs to find another player... playing in a game whose DM's style you disagree with is a recipe for disaster and will only lead to more irritation along the way and lead to less enjoyment for yourself and the others involved.
You ask a question, and you get answers. You may not like them, but to act irritated about the views of others is not a fitting reaction.
The issue you put to the table is whether it is 'justified' for a DM to refuse a certain item at the start of a game. The consensus answer is: yes, definately. You initially put it as though it was being taken away, which appears to be untrue.
Furthermore, you claim that 'other PC's can have similar things, no problem, my PC is singled out'. First of all, is this really true, or do they also have stuff refused?
Also, the question from the DM's point of view is (should be) a broader one. Do the other PC's, the thief and mage in your example, also have powerful templates AND powerful PrC AND powerful items geared to optimize the PC's? If so, then maybe your gripe is 'legitimate', otherwise, if I were your DM, all your complaints are whiffles in the wind and would result in a 'take it or find another game' type answer. It is perfectly valid for a DM to try to even the powerlevels of the various PC's, and we are talking about the submission of a PC, not about 'taking away' items your PC has had and earned over time.
My suggestion, following rule zero, is that if you feel the DM is singling you out, and you are not enjoying his style or way of handling his game, then bow out and tell the DM he needs to find another player... playing in a game whose DM's style you disagree with is a recipe for disaster and will only lead to more irritation along the way and lead to less enjoyment for yourself and the others involved.
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You are saying that the DM is stating your character does too much damge and thus is removing the belt from the items list for your character correct?
The real issue is not the belt but the fact that the PC does too much damage. The belt is just the "quick fix".
It appears that the DM is allowing Eberron specific feats, prestige classes and items into a Greyhawk campaign. That is the real problem with why the PC is doing so much damag. It is the combination of the feat and prestige class that allows the charazcter to treat both ends of the weapon as 2 handed. If this aspect was removed the damage drops substantially and probably wouldn't have been questioned.
You are saying that the DM is stating your character does too much damge and thus is removing the belt from the items list for your character correct?
The real issue is not the belt but the fact that the PC does too much damage. The belt is just the "quick fix".
It appears that the DM is allowing Eberron specific feats, prestige classes and items into a Greyhawk campaign. That is the real problem with why the PC is doing so much damag. It is the combination of the feat and prestige class that allows the charazcter to treat both ends of the weapon as 2 handed. If this aspect was removed the damage drops substantially and probably wouldn't have been questioned.
BlackMoria
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If I understand correctly, the game hasn't started. So the issue, as I see it, is not of allowing the character a belt of giant strength, but of allowing the character to start the game with a belt of giant strength.
It is not clear if the issue with the belt and the DM is one of - this character can never have a belt of strength or this character can't start the game with a belt of strength.
That needs be be clarified for any more discussion to be meaningful. If it is a 'start of game' thing, the DM's request is reasonable. If not, the DM is not handling the belt issue in a manner I could consider fair and impartial but it is his game.
It is not clear if the issue with the belt and the DM is one of - this character can never have a belt of strength or this character can't start the game with a belt of strength.
That needs be be clarified for any more discussion to be meaningful. If it is a 'start of game' thing, the DM's request is reasonable. If not, the DM is not handling the belt issue in a manner I could consider fair and impartial but it is his game.
(Psi)SeveredHead
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High Strength plus high Strength template plus PrC that over-optimizes high Strength.
Maybe the cloak is an actual problem in the game
Did the wizard start with Int 18, get an Int +8 template and take a PrC that boosts his save DCs? Because if he didn't, he shouldn't need to give up the headband of intellect.
I think the real problem is the template and the PrC, and the DM is using the wrong way to fix it. New DMs should not be letting lots of non-core stuff (like the template and PrC) into the game until they've got some rules experience under their belt.
You should talk to your DM about dropping the template and PrC. He'll probably let you keep your belt then.
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pogre
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The authoratative answer without a doubt is your D.M. is completely in error and being unreasonable. Your PC is legal both technically and within the spirit of the rules. Such a magic item is a given at such a high level and any experienced D.M. should know this. Your D.M.'s logic is flawed and his decision is capricious and will likely handicap your character excessively.
If you click on the number next to this post it will appear in its own Window. You can cut and paste the link and send it to your D.M. alternatively, you can print it out and send it to him/her.
This is the post you were hoping for - so there it is. Glad to be of service.
The authoratative answer without a doubt is your D.M. is completely in error and being unreasonable. Your PC is legal both technically and within the spirit of the rules. Such a magic item is a given at such a high level and any experienced D.M. should know this. Your D.M.'s logic is flawed and his decision is capricious and will likely handicap your character excessively.
If you click on the number next to this post it will appear in its own Window. You can cut and paste the link and send it to your D.M. alternatively, you can print it out and send it to him/her.
This is the post you were hoping for - so there it is. Glad to be of service.
Two things:
I agree with most already in that denying the belt is not the best way for the GM to handle the problem of your fighter doing too much damage. There are many better solutions. Denying Eberron PrC and Featage (which were never intended, for setting reasons, to be used with Half Dragon templates) would be much more reasonable, AND more effective, since you can just commission a Belt once the game starts.
But, to "get to the point," so to speak...your grousing over the replies in this thread suggest to me that what you're looking for is a "See, I Told You So," thread. Something where we all agree how beleaguered you are, how unjustly persecuted by the horrible GM...and thus give you a thread you can show said GM, as proof of your claims that the character is fine.
Not gonna happen. As should be clear by now.
Putting aside the GM's rather bizarre solution for the moment, the sheet you posted makes one thing abundantly clear...by cherry picking templates, PrC's, and feats, you've created a character that the GM isn't comfortable with in his campaign. That's the long and short of it. Denying you an item is...an odd way of dealing with it, and not really as permanant as I'd think one would want...but he is perfectly justified in seeking SOME kind of reduction to bring the character in line with the power level he envisions. As is any GM.
If you really really wanna keep the belt, try rebuilding with more conventional class and feat choices and correct errata. And by all means show him to this thread. I'm sure the Hive Mind would have plenty of advice for him.
I agree with most already in that denying the belt is not the best way for the GM to handle the problem of your fighter doing too much damage. There are many better solutions. Denying Eberron PrC and Featage (which were never intended, for setting reasons, to be used with Half Dragon templates) would be much more reasonable, AND more effective, since you can just commission a Belt once the game starts.
But, to "get to the point," so to speak...your grousing over the replies in this thread suggest to me that what you're looking for is a "See, I Told You So," thread. Something where we all agree how beleaguered you are, how unjustly persecuted by the horrible GM...and thus give you a thread you can show said GM, as proof of your claims that the character is fine.
Not gonna happen. As should be clear by now.
Putting aside the GM's rather bizarre solution for the moment, the sheet you posted makes one thing abundantly clear...by cherry picking templates, PrC's, and feats, you've created a character that the GM isn't comfortable with in his campaign. That's the long and short of it. Denying you an item is...an odd way of dealing with it, and not really as permanant as I'd think one would want...but he is perfectly justified in seeking SOME kind of reduction to bring the character in line with the power level he envisions. As is any GM.
If you really really wanna keep the belt, try rebuilding with more conventional class and feat choices and correct errata. And by all means show him to this thread. I'm sure the Hive Mind would have plenty of advice for him.
Nomad4life
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Keep the belt. Get rid of the character.
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