DMM Persistent Spell - Do You Allow It?

[Elemental]

The inquisition domain allows you to get a +4 to your dispel checks, making the buffs harder to dispel.

Actually, you're not the one making a check when someone sends a dispel at you, so Inqusition won't help you save your spells.

I just don't use Persistant Spell in my games, at all. I've never seen anyone use it and actually pay the extra spell levels, it's always to abuse an "add metamagic for free" ability.

 

[Deset Gled]

I don't allow Divine Metamagic at all, so the most broken of the bunch is right out.

 

[mikebr99]

I am currently allowing it in my campaign (RHoD)... but all the players were limited to 28 point buy. The Cleric can currently persist one spell per day... and it's usually elation (Exalted cheeze) for the party.

Mike

 

[Doug McCrae]

I'm of the opinion that given the general rule that you can't metamagic a spell you couldn't otherwise cast

I don't agree that that's a general rule. All sorts of feats and PrC abilities break it. DMM itself, the sudden feats from Complete Arcane, Practical Metamagic (Races of the Dragon), Arcane Thesis (PHB2), Metamagic School Focus (Complete Mage) and the Incantatrix and Dweomerkeeper PrCs.

 

[werk]

I've never had an issue with it, but most of my play hasn't reached the levels where it's a problem.

Ditto. If you want to put all your eggs in one basket, help yourself, but I rarely play high level and never above 20.

 

[Mistwell]

Ditto. If you want to put all your eggs in one basket, help yourself, but I rarely play high level and never above 20.

High level? The build gets the ability at 3rd or 6th level usually. With mutiple uses per day at those levels.

 

[Slaved]

High level? The build gets the ability at 3rd or 6th level usually. With mutiple uses per day at those levels.

What is the worst you can do with it at level 6?

 

[EyeontheMountain]

DMM has never reared its face in my game, but I would probably restrict it. It is a very potentially powerful combination, and clearly is built around a flawed viewing of the rule. TO me, since every other version, arcane and bardic, contains the max level language, I consider that that sufficient for stealth errata for DMM. Plus it makes the feat balanced. I always wanted to make a DMM cleric myself, but focusing on extend instead for a summoner. Or some such feat. Persistant is just not worth it, to my way of thinking.

 

[Destil]

I don't agree that that's a general rule. All sorts of feats and PrC abilities break it. DMM itself, the sudden feats from Complete Arcane, Practical Metamagic (Races of the Dragon), Arcane Thesis (PHB2), Metamagic School Focus (Complete Mage) and the Incantatrix and Dweomerkeeper PrCs.

Add the rods and it's a list of all the broken things I'd never allow people do do with/for metamagic. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

 

[ThirdWizard]

Not only don't I allow DMM(Persist), I don't allow DMM or Persist in isolation.

-- N

That one. That's my vote.