DMs are too easy on their players

Lighten up

I'm really amazed at the DM vs Player vs DM bile that is being spewed on this thread. This game is all about EVERYONE having fun. The DM is there to present challenges and the players are there to overcome the challenges, but at the end of the day, everyone should walk away feeling like they've contributed to the game and had a good time. If this isn't happening, then someone has gotten something wrong.
 

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brainstorm said:
I'm really amazed at the DM vs Player vs DM bile that is being spewed on this thread.
Look at it this way: everyone with bile has had at least one bad experience, where a player or DM abused their provisional power and ticked that person off. Hopefully that particular game / group / dynamic is long gone, but the memory remains. And they will never let player / DM get away with that particular abuse again, AND they want you to be aware of it so it won't happen to you! :)

Really, the hate is all about helping others. ;)

Cheers, -- N
 


Yeah, I'm back.
Edena_of_Neith here. The person who started this thread.

In my opinion ...

D&D should never be a DM versus Player adversarial situation, in any kind of home setting.
D&D is about friends getting together and having fun.

I said that I thought DMs should be tough on their players, should demand more out of their players, should be more deadly towards PCs.
But I should have said more.

A DM can't be a tough DM without the approval of his players. Why? Because if that style of play isn't fun for them, they'll say so ... and if said style of play is forcibly continued, they'll get up and walk away from the table.
A DM *most certainly cannot* be a killer DM without the consent of his players (ala: 'let's go into the Tomb of Horrors!') And it's for the same reason: players not having fun are going to stop playing.
And why shouldn't they? D&D is about fun, not misery (I hope ...)

I used a lot of hyperbole in my first post, but unless all my players gave a rousing cheer to it (assuming I read my players such a riot act at the start of the game!) I couldn't DM like that.
What actually happens is me and my players come to a mutual understanding about what kind of game is most fun. If a challenging game is most fun, and they are in the gung-ho spirit, then I can read them that riot act to a resounding cheer. Otherwise, not.

So, it *really* comes down to what the players want.
And that means, what my OP really is about, is about the players demanding more out of themselves. I think the players should ask more of themselves, think more highly of themselves, give themselves more credit than they do.

After all, folks, in one of the books that started it all, a certain 5th level (or roundabouts) halfling rogue snuck down a passageway, came upon this ancient red wyrm, stole from him, had a conversation with him, figured out how to kill him, his party expected such things out of him, and he agreed in writing to do all of these things before the adventure started, and ... :)
 

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Oh, and it's not 121st level, Numion.
It's 161st level. 121st level cleric / 40th level wizard (1st/2nd edition, never translated to 3rd edition.)
(Edena achieved his levels exactly the way described above. And yes, he's legit.)

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And get your facts right. Edena the PC slept with Alustriel, not Elminster.
Also, get your facts right: Edena didn't 'just' become a female. Edena:

Started as a male human.
Became a female elf.
Became a male human again.
Became a male elf.
Became a dragon.
Became a male human again.
Turned into two people. One stayed a male human, and the other became a female elf. Both adventure in the world today.

(grumbles something about the inaccuracies of rumormills.)

Now, nothing like the facts to clear up the situation! :)
 
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Which has little to do with anything, cuz that halfling rogue had Das Uber Artifact, which was basically handed to him by the DM and protected by nothing more than a 3rd-level-ish goblin rogue with 1 point of Wisdom. -_-
 

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Well, actually it's the Star of Odin, not Das Uber Artifact, and he won it fighting a sabre-toothed weretiger when he was 9th level. (Said tiger had no wisdom at all ... or he would not have tried to take on Edena! Hehe ...)
And it's not so uber. It didn't protect him from Vecna, did it? :)
 

Edena_of_Neith said:
(off-topic, answer to off-topic post)
Also, get your facts right: Edena didn't 'just' become a female. Edena:

Started as a male human.
Became a female elf.
Became a male human again.
Became a male elf.
Became a dragon.
Became a male human again.
Turned into two people. One stayed a male human, and the other became a female elf. Both adventure in the world today.

(grumbles something about the inaccuracies of rumormills.)
Yeah, no rumour mill could ever have dreamed that lot up... ;)

"Turned into two people" = cloned? Or...how?

Lanefan
 

Edena_of_Neith said:
Oh, and it's not 121st level, Numion.
It's 161st level. 121st level cleric / 40th level wizard (1st/2nd edition, never translated to 3rd edition.)

Wow.

Medegia should ask Edena to give them a hand! :)
 

Edena_of_Neith said:
(off-topic, answer to off-topic post)

Oh, and it's not 121st level, Numion.
It's 161st level. 121st level cleric / 40th level wizard (1st/2nd edition, never translated to 3rd edition.)
(Edena achieved his levels exactly the way described above. And yes, he's legit.)

I think most people here would regard leveling up that way (what Numion described Edena as doing) as significantly not legit. I may have misunderstood how you were doing it, of course, but it sounds like playing a bunch of different PCs and leveling a single high level PC up whenever any of the others leveled.
 

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