DMs are too easy on their players

[Numion]

But heh, you don't want an Edena versus Waldorf fight anyways. Because after Edena won, he'd gain another level for it, and then he'd be 162nd level, and ...

Waldorfs got Edena beat on levels. 350 levels is double Edenas + he's got star destroyers.

 

[robberbaron]

OK.... So would you speak to your DM like an adult member of your gender about one thing that was making an otherwise enjoyable expereince troublesome?

Sure would, but I wouldn't expect him to change his game to suit me and I wouldn't spit my dummy out if he decided not to humour me.

Working against the DM is counterproductive and unfriendly (and we're all friends, right?).
Working against the challenge set by the DM is what the game is all about.

If you don't respect what your DM is doing (spending a lot of his time creating a world, adding colour, flavour and interest [hopefully] to the campaign, setting and adjudicating challenges for the party, etc.) then you don't respect the DM and you're not a particularly good friend to him.

 

[Flynn]

If you don't respect what your DM is doing (spending a lot of his time creating a world, adding colour, flavour and interest [hopefully] to the campaign, setting and adjudicating challenges for the party, etc.) then you don't respect the DM and you're not a particularly good friend to him.

Whoa! I think now would be a good time to point out that not liking a DM's milieu or gaming style does not mean that you aren't a good friend. There are good ways to handle your dislike of his milieu or style, just as there are bad ways to handle it. However, your relationship, your friendship with the DM, cannot be solely based on whether or not you like his milieu or his style, nor should it.

I don't run games for one of my very good friends, because his playing style negatively impacts my enjoyment of the game as a DM. However, I'm still a good friend to him, as he is to me, and our friendship is not impacted by that.

Sorry, but the way that post was stated just hit me wrong. I apologize if my words came across as anything more than me just clarifying my thoughts on the words contained therein.

With Regards,
Flynn

 

[robberbaron]

Whoa! I think now would be a good time to point out that not liking a DM's milieu or gaming style does not mean that you aren't a good friend. There are good ways to handle your dislike of his milieu or style, just as there are bad ways to handle it. However, your relationship, your friendship with the DM, cannot be solely based on whether or not you like his milieu or his style, nor should it.

I don't run games for one of my very good friends, because his playing style negatively impacts my enjoyment of the game as a DM. However, I'm still a good friend to him, as he is to me, and our friendship is not impacted by that.

Sorry, but the way that post was stated just hit me wrong. I apologize if my words came across as anything more than me just clarifying my thoughts on the words contained therein.

I have not felt the need to exclude any of my friends from my game, though we have had discussions (fairly recently, actually) about respect, disruptive attitudes, etc., and how it was detracting from the enjoyment of being DM. We all agreed to try harder in future.

When I have not enjoyed playing in a particular game I have simply not made myself available for it, as have several of my friends at one time or another.
None of it has stopped us being friends.

But that was not to what I was referring.
Disagreement is part of life. I accept that my friends do not always agree with me. Like everyone I know, I occasionally talk complete bollocks.

What I was referring to was this:
Not liking something is very different to thinking it should be changed to suit you.
I admit to the former but take issue with the latter.

If you tell your DM that you don't like his game and that he should do X then you are not respecting him and would not, to me at least, seem to be much of a friend.
I don't bully my friends and wouldn't take kindly to having it done to me.

You obviously handled your friend's playing style problem admirably.
I hope that if the situation arose for me I would be able to do likewise.

 

[Doug McCrae]

milieu

!!!

And I thought no one but Gygax used that word with a straight face.

 

[Flynn]

What I was referring to was this:
Not liking something is very different to thinking it should be changed to suit you.
I admit to the former but take issue with the latter.

That is a statement I can get behind. I agree that it's okay to dislike a DM's approach, but that expecting/requiring a DM's approach to be changed to suit you does seem to display a certain level of disrespect for the DM.

My apologies for my misunderstanding earlier,
Flynn

 

[Flynn]

!!!

And I thought no one but Gygax used that word with a straight face.

Milieu is a nice, simple word that seems to capture the essence of "game world background and setting" without having to type out "game world background and setting". Yeah, I cut my teeth on the 1st Edition DMG, as it were. Guess it shows my age more than I would care for...

With Regards,
Flynn

 

[Piratecat]

Plus, it's fun to say! Milieuuuuuu....

Say it with me.

Milieu.

It's euphonious.

 

[robberbaron]

Euphonius? Now you're making stuff up.
Or do you mean 'like a euphonium'?

Do you colonials pronounce milieu 'meel-you' or 'meel-yur'?

 

[shilsen]

Euphonius? Now you're making stuff up.
Or do you mean 'like a euphonium'?

No, he isn't. Euphonious = possessing an agreeable sound; pleasant to the ear

Do you colonials pronounce milieu 'meel-you' or 'meel-yur'?

I don't know about the colonials (do I count, since I'm Indian?), but I say "mill-you."