D&D General DMs Guild and DriveThruRPG ban AI written works, requires labels for AI generated art

[Vaalingrade]

Or face a future where the 1% are those who happen to own the technology when the music stops, and the rest of us starve.

That's the plan!

 

[Charlaquin]

You could say the same about running water, the printing press and refridgeration.

There are other considerations for human health, well-being and happiness beyond simple employment.

There certainly are, but “I want art and I don’t want to pay for it” is not such a consideration.

 

[TheSword]

There certainly are, but “I want art and I don’t want to pay for it” is not such a consideration.

The solution is to find better methods of funding not to ban AI art.

Would you say that wikipaedia is bad because it cut work off from the writers and printers of encyclopedias or was it good because it increased the store of human knowledge and made it available to those who couldn’t afford $1500 for the Encyclopedia Britanica.

 

[Charlaquin]

I think @Charlaquin has the right of in their statement: the combination of automation and the necessity of labor to survive is bad. That's one of the foundations of the UBI movement: we live in a world of increasing automation, so the necessity of labor to survive is a humanitarian issue. Obviously we are veering into politics territory, so I won't say more.

Yup. In theory, automation should be a positive thing for humanity on the whole. But because we have set things up in such a way that labor is a necessity for survival, automation ends up being a death sentence for many. Either automation or mandatory labor needs to go. I know which I’d prefer.

 

[Scribe]

I think it is interesting how people put art in a special place to be protected from automation,but don't have much to say about programmers, data entry professionals, customer service and IT specialists, and others that have been or very soon will be automated out of a job. Everyone is all for automation and efficiency until it affects them personally.

I'm pretty sure I've been clear that AI in any capacity (and toss in outsourcing as well!) should go die in a fire.

IT professional here.

 

[Charlaquin]

The solution is to find better methods of funding not to ban AI art.

Nah, until AI art is being made legally, it should absolutely be banned.

 

[Reynard]

There certainly are, but “I want art and I don’t want to pay for it” is not such a consideration.

Again assuming we aren't talking about AI trained on copyrighted materials:

If I purchase or use an open source software that creates art I want for my project, that is literally no different than using algorithms to fix my crappy photographs or using grammarly. One is not entitled to another's labor, but nor are you entitled to a commission.

 

[Voadam]

I think it is interesting how people put art in a special place to be protected from automation,but don't have much to say about programmers, data entry professionals, customer service and IT specialists, and others that have been or very soon will be automated out of a job. Everyone is all for automation and efficiency until it affects them personally.

This seems a complete nonsequitor.

I have read plenty on AI issues and predicted impacts on a variety of professions. Plenty of people seem to have a lot to say.

I find it completely on point that in a thread on AI issues in RPGs on an RPG forum that the issues being discussed focus on the RPG relevant issues of AI impacts on artists and writers and publishers. I do not find it odd that the discussion about RPG AI issues does not "have much to say" directly about the impacts of non RPG programmers, data entry professionals, consumer service IT specialists and others who will be automated out of a job or about a host of other issues.

 

[Charlaquin]

Again assuming we aren't talking about AI trained on copyrighted materials:

If I purchase or use an open source software that creates art I want for my project, that is literally no different than using algorithms to fix my crappy photographs or using grammarly. One is not entitled to another's labor, but nor are you entitled to a commission.

Assuming it was trained ethically. That’s a hypothetical we are currently a long way from realizing, so I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to the current conversation.

 

[Reynard]

Assuming it was trained ethically. That’s a hypothetical we are currently a long way from realizing, so I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to the current conversation.

What do you mean. As I understand it, there are generative AI trained on public domain and licensed datasets. That is the only ethical standard.

If I trained an AI on every bit of OGC available, would it be unethical for me to use it as a tool in a supplement I was developing, or should I be "forced" to hire a freelancer to do that work. (Let's leave aside the quality of the work for a moment, since freelancers can make crappy mechanics, too.)