D&D General DMs Guild and DriveThruRPG ban AI written works, requires labels for AI generated art

[TheSword]

Assuming it was trained ethically. That’s a hypothetical we are currently a long way from realizing, so I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to the current conversation.

Its entirely relevant to conversation. Setting the standards by which something will be acceptable and discovering ways to ensure that happens is far more effective than refusing to engage with it.

I saw this quote today in a business presentation and it make me chuckle.

 

[Charlaquin]

What do you mean. As I understand it, there are generative AI trained on public domain and licensed datasets. That is the only ethical standard.

If I trained an AI on every bit of OGC available, would it be unethical for me to use it as a tool in a supplement I was developing, or should I be "forced" to hire a freelancer to do that work. (Let's leave aside the quality of the work for a moment, since freelancers can make crappy mechanics, too.)

I mean, I don’t think the question of quality should be left aside, but no, I don’t think that would necessarily be unethical. I also am not aware of the existence of any such OGC-only trained AI.

 

[Celebrim]

I think it's going to be impossible to prove in court that AI generated art isn't an act of creativity.

 

[Swarmkeeper]

Its entirely relevant to conversation. Setting the standards by which something will be acceptable and discovering ways to ensure that happens is far more effective than refusing to engage with it.

I saw this quote today in a business presentation and it make me chuckle.

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Chuckle because he never said that?

Or chuckle because... irony: not listening to people cost Ford market share as competitors started providing people what they wanted?


Source: Henry Ford, Innovation, and That “Faster Horse” Quote

 

[TheSword]

Chuckle because he never said that?

Or chuckle because the irony of not listening to people cost Ford market share as competitors started providing people what they wanted?


Source: Henry Ford, Innovation, and That “Faster Horse” Quote

It’s not so much the source as the sentiment.

People don’t know what they don’t know they don’t know. Sony Walkman, lightbulbs, vaccines, democracy, C’est la vie.

 

[FrogReaver]

I think it's going to be impossible to prove in court that AI generated art isn't an act of creativity.

I think The technical aspects could legally doom it. But that likely has much further reaching impacts than just AI. It’s going to be interesting to see how that needle gets threaded and the potential collateral damage.

 

[Celebrim]

I think The technical aspects could legally doom it. But that likely has much further reaching impacts than just AI. It’s going to be interesting to see how that needle gets threaded and the potential collateral damage.

If AI art isn't original creative work, then neither is John Williams.

 

[FrogReaver]

If AI art isn't original creative work, then neither is John Williams.

That’s not necessarily the issue. To train the AI they copy the images so that the ai then is able to repurpose parts of them into a new image. It’s that copying that’s going to prove problematic. Of course the whole internet essentially works that way as well. Humans do to some degree as well via memory - though memory isn’t an exact copy as the ai training data would be.

So unless extremely careful lots of the internet could be impacted by decisions around an art as well.

 

[Reynard]

That’s not necessarily the issue. To train the AI they copy the images so that the ai then is able to repurpose parts of them into a new image. It’s that copying that’s going to prove problematic. Of course the whole internet essentially works that way as well. Humans do to some degree as well via memory - though memory isn’t an exact copy as the ai training data would be.

So unless extremely careful lots of the internet could be impacted by decisions around an art as well.

As I understand the technology, midjourney at least does not copy images. It reads patterns in them on a pixel by pixel basis and connects that data to key words. Note that I am not defending the scraping, just explaining the difference.

 

[FrogReaver]

As I understand the technology, midjourney at least does not copy images. It reads patterns in them on a pixel by pixel basis and connects that data to key words. Note that I am not defending the scraping, just explaining the difference.

how exactly do you think it’s reading the pixels 1 at a time without producing and at least temporarily storing a copy of the image?