D&D 5E DnDBeyond leaks Dark Sun?

[Yaarel]

... drop Psionics into the PHB and have Mystic proudly sitting there as another full caster (with spell points not slots, I absolutely beg you, WotC lol - it's easy! Your system does it well!) ...

Yes. Integrate proper psionic magic in the 2024 Players Handbook.

I dont care about spell points, but in fact, they can work well in 5e for a Psion class gaining 1+level points, refreshing on short rests, and spending on cost=slot.

 

[Charlaquin]

Doomspace was supposed to be Athaspace until late in the development process. That much is clear.

I can see only two plausible reasons for this:

(1) WotC has plans for Dark Sun, and someone at WotC decided that the presentation of Athaspace in the Spelljammer set doesn’t match the vision they have for the updated setting.

(2) Someone at WotC decided Dark Sun is too problematic to resurrect, even in this limited form.

These seem roughly equally likely to me.

A year ago I would have cared a lot which one of these turned out to be true. But the total misfire that is 5e Spelljammer (my take: what’s there isn’t all that bad, but everything important is missing; it’s the definition of a half-baked product) makes me trepidatious when I think about future books from WotC. Spelljammer might not be the worst official 5e book, but if not, it’s awfully close—and it definitely feels like the laziest one.

I think either of these reasons could have been foreseen early enough for these elements not to have slipped through the cracks. This was clearly a late-stage change, which says to me it must have been in response to closed playtest feedback saying “this is going to greatly upset Dark Sun fans.”

 

[DarkCrisis]

New Dark Sun will boil it down to eco-warriors trying to save a planet that's dying due to an over use of magic.

New Warlock Patron will be:

 

[Parmandur]

New Dark Sun will boil it down to eco-warriors trying to save a planet that's dying due to an over use of magic.

New Warlock Patron will be:

Don't threatehn me with a good time.

 

[Charlaquin]

New Dark Sun will boil it down to eco-warriors trying to save a planet that's dying due to an over use of magic.

That’s not new for Dark Sun…

New Warlock Patron will be:

With a new elemental ring Pact Boon? Sign me the hell up!

 

[Marandahir]

On a serious note, imagine one of the OneD&D playtest packets that get released during 2023 was ANOTHER Psionics UA.

I wouldn’t be surprised.

Playtest Packet 1 explored Arcane, Divine, and Primal Spell Lists; I’d imagine there would also be a Psionics Spell List and are holding that closer to their chest because it’s not core to the 2014 PHB.

If say, Oath of the Ancients Paladins get access to the Primal Spell List and Divine Soul Sorcerers get access to the Divine Spell List, then perhaps Great Old One Warlocks get access to a Psionics Spell List.

Seems like a very simple way to resolve it. And then at least one Arcane Traditions might become partially Psionic - School of Enchantment is what I’m primarily thinking of; Illusionists feel more classically Arcane than the mind-bending Enchanters. Meanwhile School of Divination may become our Mystic Theurge with access to the Divine Spell List…

Just throwing things out there. I could see this as a very quick and dirty way to do Psionics. They’d still need a non-bookish but Int-based Psion casting with special rules; I could still think they could do that if classes are let loose from Key Ability Scores. A Psionic Magic Sorcerer with Spell Points and Sorcery Points as a fused pool and using Int instead of Cha and access to a unique Psionics Spell List is essentially all I want from a Psion. Aberrant Mind is almost there but it only does Psionics sometimes and it still has spell slots and it still uses Cha (so it’s more of a Gooey Wilder).

They treated Artificer as an afterthought that was still mentioned in Packet 1 (i.e, Bards, Sorcerers, Warlocks, and Wizards, as well as Artificers, draw from the Arcane Spell List). That suggests that only the original 12 classes will be in the 2024 PHB, but they’ll recognise Rules Expansion as cooperating with the new rules. So we wouldn’t have a replacement for Aberrant Mind or Psi Warrior or Soul Knife. Not would we have Artificer or Psion as separate classes in the new PHB. But we might get Psionics as a new subclass of a core class, whether as a Wizard that doesn’t use a spellbook or a Sorcerer that uses Int.

It’s also very possible they Psion will not show up until Dark Sun, and then get reprinted a la Artificer in one of the next Rules Expansion books (perhaps even Book of Many Things; we’re due a Rules Expansion 2 box set to combine Fizban’s, Bigby’s, and Book of Many Things).

 

[Demetrios1453]

That’s not new for Dark Sun…

With a new elemental ring Pact Boon? Sign me the hell up! [emoji1787]

"I'm a Heart Warlock!"

 

[grimslade]

Woohoo, another Dark Sun thread!
Dark Sun is not coming out before 1DD. It's not. We don't want it to come out beforehand.

DS is a valuable IP for Hasbro. There is very little in current media like it. It needs to be updated and vetted for modern audiences, however. Stuff is going to change.

Psionics: Psionics will be a spell list and subclasses. 5E can handle more systems. The community can handle more systems. The designers don't want to balance more systems. I don't feel that the designers like chocolate in their peanut butter or peanut butter in their chocolate. You have no champion for psionics on the design team, so it won't get designed.

Problematic Topics in the setting: Slavery, Muls, ethnic/racial genocide, literal thought police There is a lot that will need to be cleaned up and written carefully and with empathy. Things will change. A lot. I am coming around to it because my own sheltered/privileged life has shielded me from the impact of some of these topics. Unfortunately, I no longer think WotC design is capable of handling a thoughtful and empathic reimagining of the setting after Hadozee in 5E Spelljammer. They are not the guys for the job. Maybe if they farm it out to some of the Radiant Citadel folks?

 

[grimslade]

Clearly anyone who says that about current Star Trek never watched old Star Trek.

William Shatner was one person who recently said this. He literally starred in several Star Trek episodes that explicitly addressed racial issues. I know he is older but facts or history sometimes get in the way of the narrative people want to have.

 

[Parmandur]

William Shatner was one person who recently said this. He literally starred in several Star Trek episodes that explicitly addressed racial issues. I know he is older but facts or history sometimes get in the way of the narrative people want to have.

I don't have great confidence that William Shatner understood Star Trek. My evidence? Star Trek V.