D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?

[Hriston]

"There are a great many times when a player's background feature would be absolutely bonkers to apply." was pretty critical to that, I don't know what you are trying to refute.

I'm questioning your assertion that Ravenloft is an "unquestionable example" of such a time. I think the mentions in this thread of setting material that depicts libraries and tutors in Barovia and that the Vistani are permitted to regularly pass through the Mists run counter to that assertion.

Are you asking why the GM should get to decide how the NPCs & world elements that the GM is running respond to players? The answer is simply because the GM is the one in charge of those things.

No, I was asking why the DM should be the one to decide when and how a player's background is relevant. And I was also asking if you, as a real person, when making use of your own real life personal connections from your past, have your own sense of whether they are relevant to a given situation, or if you have to check in with someone else's sense of whether they are.

 

[mamba]

I'm questioning your assertion that Ravenloft is an "unquestionable example" of such a time. I think the mentions in this thread of setting material that depicts libraries and tutors in Barovia and that the Vistani are permitted to regularly pass through the Mists run counter to that assertion.

The Vistani are not your connection, so why would they do this for you just because you asked (which basically is what the feature says, anyone can forge new friendships / alliances, the feature is not needed for that).

Apart from that they can cross the mists but they do not know where they end up and they generally just end up in another domain of Ravenloft...

No, I was asking why the DM should be the one to decide when and how a player's background is relevant.

either it always works, or someone has to decide, and that traditionally is the GM

And I was also asking if you, as a real person, when making use of your own real life personal connections from your past, have your own sense of whether they are relevant to a given situation, or if you have to check in with someone else's sense of whether they are.

these people are not connections you have, they are strangers, so what does your real life experience tell you about this situation?

 

[jdrakeh]

Maybe? Honestly, I'm pretty burned out on D&D 5e right now. I might not ever go back to it. If I do, it'll be a while.

 

[Hriston]

no it doesn’t, not in Ravenloft / Barovia

And why is that? What does it mean that the Vistani can "pass freely" through the Mists if not that they can move from one place to another through them? It's been posted in this thread they're known to travel to the Material Plane, so it seems you're privileging certain texts over others.

that is not much better than the first part of your answer. Why would any Barovian criminal / resident care to go to a different plane (assuming they could…) and maybe have a months long journey to relay a message to some unknown person just because someone they do not know asked them to

Because they're going there anyway, and because they're part of an underground criminal network to which you also belong.

 

[Hriston]

Have you been trying to act as some authority over how PCs pulled from fr will be affected without knowing the relationship between Ravenloft and Barovia?

No, I understand the relationship between Ravenloft and Barovia. I have by no means represented myself as any sort of authority on the subject. And I don't know how FR has entered into the conversation at all, unless you mean that as a stand-in for whatever Material Plane world from which the party is assumed to be.

Did you not bother to check the relationship between Ravenloft and Barovia at any time since you started this dozens of pages back?

Started what? I think it was @Oofta who brought Barovia into this conversation.

Barovia is part of Ravenloft where it is one of the domains overseen by The Dark Powers that control Ravenloft . It's like a Disney world vacationers in Florida making vacationers subject to US law or a mars Rover being subject to the planetary conditions of mars.

Yes, I understand all this. I think you need to read my post again with that in mind.

 

[Hriston]

Because the paper airplane fits into every room, whipe the actual aircraft does not. And also it pollutes the atmosphere way more.

Is it really a design consideration for airplanes that they fit in every room? I would think the hangar would be built to suit the airplane, not the other way around. Also, I'm not sure what pollution is meant to represent in your analogy.

 

[tetrasodium]

I'm questioning your assertion that Ravenloft is an "unquestionable example" of such a time. I think the mentions in this thread of setting material that depicts libraries and tutors in Barovia and that the Vistani are permitted to regularly pass through the Mists run counter to that assertion.

The reasons have been explained to you... in detail.. by more than one poster. You had to be told the relationship between Barovia and Ravenloft after protesting that you wanted to talk about one without the other... That right there demonstrated that you very much need to bone up on the setting and lore before trying to think of how to phrase some of the claims you've been aiming for

No, I was asking why the DM should be the one to decide when and how a player's background is relevant. And I was also asking if you, as a real person, when making use of your own real life personal connections from your past, have your own sense of whether they are relevant to a given situation, or if you have to check in with someone else's sense of whether they are.

You failed to provide any explanation why the player should be deciding how the world and NPCs respond to player/PC input and simply restated your question.

I'm not interested in furthering your weird necroposting keepalive where you post a bunch of posts then go back a week to quote but not address a post when you've dug yourself to the bottom of the well.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Is it really a design consideration for airplanes that they fit in every room? I would think the hangar would be built to suit the airplane, not the other way around. Also, I'm not sure what pollution is meant to represent in your analogy.

I help you:

Not every background fits in every campaign. If it is a background with some light abilities that are always useful, instead of big circumstantial abilities, they do. Pollution is what makes the campaign unplayable or unfun for the DM if they have to constantly do extra work to accommodate for gotcha abilites.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

To answer the actual question, I am not in a hurry to get the new books, but I will probably get them eventually. I am not actually quite sure what will be changed, and whether will I like the new version better overall. But it is probably easier to work with the current content in the long run.

I am in middle of running a campaign, and I have to see to what extent implementing the changes into middle of it is feasible or otherwise a good idea. I will be at least using the new versions of the monsters, and probably of the spells, but less sure about switching the character classes into the new rules. That might have to wait for the next campaign.

In any case, is there a release date and is there some summary somewhere what the new books will include and what the changes will be?

 

[mamba]

And why is that? What does it mean that the Vistani can "pass freely" through the Mists if not that they can move from one place to another through them? It's been posted in this thread they're known to travel to the Material Plane, so it seems you're privileging certain texts over others.

maybe you should just learn the first thing about the seting, you keep asking the same basic questions and make the same wrong assumptions repeatedly, despite them having been answered repeatedly in this thread....

Because they're going there anyway, and because they're part of an underground criminal network to which you also belong.

everything in this sentence is absolutely wrong, they do not go there and they are not in your network, or at a minimum you have no idea whether they are and they do not know you, so won't just tell you or trust you