Do you threaten while flat footed?

[irdeggman]

It's not entirely true.

It's true only if it's not my turn.

Don't forget that the IUS feat isn't the primary source for "threatening".

You can not make an attack if you are not threatening.

I believe I provided the rules quote on that one. Its in the PHB.

 

[Hypersmurf]

You can not make an attack if you are not threatening.

With exceptions like the whip.

-Hyp.

 

[irdeggman]

With exceptions like the whip.

-Hyp.

Yup that one specifically states so under the weapon entry, which is real strange since it doesn't state that under the entry for sap.

And that whip caveat makes it interesting because that means you can't make an AoO with a whip since you don't threaten.

 

[Aaron]

You can not make an attack if you are not threatening.

Actually, it's the opposite.

You don't threaten if you can't make an attack.

By your reasoning without the IUS feat you wouldn't be able to attack with your unarmed strikes.

 

[Hypersmurf]

And that whip caveat makes it interesting because that means you can't make an AoO with a whip since you don't threaten.

I suspect that's the whole point.

The side effect is that you also can't grant a flanking bonus with a whip, or utilise certain abilities like a knight's bulwark of defence or the Mageslayer feat. But I'm guessing the reason they put the line in was to prevent whip AoOs.

-Hyp.

 

[ThirdWizard]

Are people using attack as shorthand for attack of opportunity at the moment or are the claims I'm hearing really as amazing as they sound to me right now? Inquiring minds want to know. (All the ones in my head, at least.)

 

[irdeggman]

Actually, it's the opposite.

You don't threaten if you can't make an attack.

By your reasoning without the IUS feat you wouldn't be able to attack with your unarmed strikes.

True.

I was building on the assumption "2" still being true.

"Can make AoO" is the same as "threatens"

Which in a path gets you to :

When flat-footed - you can't make an AoO

If can make AoO = "threaten" (assumption that "2" was correct)

then

When flat-footed - you don't threaten.

ThirdWizard - does that tie things back together or just make it more confusing?

 

[Aaron]

Are people using attack as shorthand for attack of opportunity at the moment or are the claims I'm hearing really as amazing as they sound to me right now? Inquiring minds want to know. (All the ones in my head, at least.)

You might want to elaborate, please.

 

[Aaron]

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[Aaron]

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