Do you want gnomes in the first phb?

[zoroaster100]

Yes, I'd like gnomes in the Player's Handbook. On the other hand I don't want half-demon characters in there as a core race (in a supplement they'd be fine). I think that is too exotic for a core race. But gnomes have brought much fun in each 3e campaign I've run.

 

[Nifft]

Don't much care either way.

Voted "No" because, well, enough already. There are already plenty of threads to cry about gnome-or-gnomes.

-- N

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

I voted no.

I'd like to see them appear in the 4e version of Eberron, but not in core. They're just not interesting enough from what I've seen.

I don't know much of anything about Greyhawk, though. Is there anything about Greyhawk gnomes that's different from the PH gnomes in 2e and 3e?

 

[Nyeshet]

For me the iconic gnome will always be "David the Gnome" - something the PHB version has never even attempted to re-create. Its version, to me, has always seemed more along the lines of a magical halfling instead. So, if the Gnome is to be as it has been in 3e, then I wouldn't mind dropping it until the PHB2 comes out in '09.

Now, if they re-create the gnome to be a tiny sized humanoid or fey with a wisdom bonus, greater than normal speed for their size, and the ability to communicate with animals (even if only via Wild Empathy or something similar to that, as a racial ability), then I might be willing to accept them in the PHB. But I do not see that happening, as apparently they have been half sized magical humans for at least two editions so far, and as such tradition will likely dictate that they remain such for the time being. So, no, I do not wish to see them in the 4e PHB 1. In PHB 2, however, I could likely accept them.

I also wouldn't mind if the Tiefling (and its good counterpart) were similarly withheld until the PHB2 comes out, but it seems oddly more likely that a partial fiend (rather than a magical halfling) will be a common race in the default 4e presumed setting. All I can say is that if I decide to DM 4e, tieflings will likely not be allowed as a player race unless there is a major story / quest important reason for it.

 

[Falling Icicle]

Gnomes are a staple fantasy race. They should stay. If you don't want to play one, don't.

 

[Digital M@]

Gnomes or halflings could both go or either, we do nto need both. 3.0 version of the halfling was to reinvent it because they like the numeric values in the uber half heighted thief.

 

[Moggthegob]

Neither gnomes or halflings,mythologically represented beings, should go. Tieflings and Aasimirs, dnd specific constructs that are by nature rare, should not be in the PHB

 

[Destil]

Yes, because I run Eberron.

No because I run Eberron and would rather see Zil gnomes get a separate write up later than be shoe-horned into generic D&D rock gnomes.

 

[Aeric]

Gnomes as they currently exist have got to go. They look funny, have funny names, and have been described as lovers of practical jokes, all of which equates to a blank check handed to troublesome players who get their jollies by disrupting games and ruining the fun of others.

If 4e somehow gets rid of all that baggage, and gives players a real mechanical reason to want to play a gnome over any other kind of race, then I will welcome the gnome into my heart.

I'm not gonna hold my breath, though.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I don't know much of anything about Greyhawk, though. Is there anything about Greyhawk gnomes that's different from the PH gnomes in 2e and 3e?

They have a disturbing tendency to hang out with elves.