Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

  • Yes

    Votes: 193 47.8%
  • No

    Votes: 211 52.2%

I really like the thought of the Non-Lawful-Good Paladins. They have had them in pretty much every edition of the game in one form or another. Even if the players never play the non-Goody-Two-Shoes paladins, it gives the other organizations their champions.

Come one y'all - Orcus and druidic circles both need champions to sow death and balance in the world.... Who better than the 'righteous' Paladin to zealously do this fulfill their master's needs.
 

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If it makes sense for tieflings to be common in 4e's implied setting, then I'm all for including them in the core books. If not, then no.
 

Yes. And it has nothing to do with DnD's cosmology.
Beings of demonic or divine heritage are a staple of fantasy and mythology and I have been longing to run a campaign playing on those themes of secret heritages, anceint rivalries, and an inherited struggle that the characters may or may not want. I just haven't done it yet. If tieflings are included as a race playable at first level I hope a celestial version is as well (and I think I have seen refrences to 'eladrin' as replacements for aasimar), but if they dont I can adapt one easilly enough from the tiefling. In fact (sight unseen so take it for what thats worth) my first 4e campaign will likely revolve around those themes and prominently feature tieflings, eladrin, and other races with a connection to the celestial/infernal war.
 

I voted yes, but only so long as they replace gnomes. We can't just keep adding races. Also the name 'tiefling' must be changed, call them the Hellborn or something.
 

Honestly, I'm totally indifferent. But since that's not an option, I chose yes because I'd rather have more options than less. Who knows, maybe having tieflings as a core race will give some insight into creating other monsters into PC races.
 

OK, please clarify something for me. Do we have any indication that tieflings will be a core race beyond seeing something with horns on the cover of the PHB?

Having planetouched as a core race would dovetail nicely with paladins having their alignment restrictions broadened.

What I suspect we'll see the current punitive favored class system replaced by some bonus ability you get by taking levels in the favored class. That's what I think the Friend of Earth, Elven Evasion, Half-Elf Inspiring Presence are references to.
 

Baby Samurai said:
I like the name Cambion better.

Not the same thing.

Cambion is the name of the old male half-fiends from 2e (which were just called half-fiend in 3e, and given more options). Tieflings are merely planetouched - not half-fiend. Maybe one eigth. The fiendish incursion into their bloodline is a ways back - and it doesn't have to be a demon. Any evil outsider will suffice.
 

I'd personally lean towards making them a non-core race. It's not the end of the world, unless something more important (like gnomes) had to make way for it.
 

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