Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

[Nifft]

Sure, why not? I'm willing to give WotC the benefit of the doubt.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Sigdel]

I voted no. D&D has enough Angst-ridden suck-boys as it is without having to add them in the PHB.
If they are, you might as well add in drow so they both can have the whole "ARRRG! Woe is me! I was born from evil, but I am good! Gosh darn my heritage! What is the fantasy version of Hot-Topic? For I wish to mope." thing going on.

 

[Malhost Zormaeril]

About the only things I've heard about 4e that I'm less than enthusiastic about are tieflings as a core race, and non-LG paladins (though I wouldn't mind a holy warrior class where the paladins were the LG version). I guess I think D&D is supposed to be a heroic game that's about the good guys.

Hear, hear. I was less than enthusiastic about dropping Gnomes, as I'm a fan of those, but I won't argue this here. The non-LG paladins I'm very much less than enthusiastic about -- very nearly depressed, really. The Tieflings as a core race with nary a mention of Aasimar is like the icing on the cake, here -- I know there is a market for kids who want to play 3B1L super-powered fiends and create a reign of terror, and I don't particularly care for it -- but the thing about D&D being about the heroes, rather than the villains, is right on the money for me. YMMV, though.

 

[GreatLemur]

I'm cool with 'em. I'm not too excited by the fact that the 4E tiefling art we've seen kind of suggests that all tieflings have the exact same non-human features (that doesn't make a lotta sense to me, considering how varied fiends are), but that's probably a bit of a premature judgement.

Also, I'm really hoping aasimars are in. It seems dumb to include tieflings without 'em. They've gotta do something to make 'em a little more interesting, though. "Like humans, but prettier and more noble-looking" is boring as hell.

I voted no. D&D has enough Angst-ridden suck-boys as it is without having to add them in the PHB.
If they are, you might as well add in drow so they both can have the whole "ARRRG! Woe is me! I was born from evil, but I am good! Gosh darn my heritage! What is the fantasy version of Hot-Topic? For I wish to mope." thing going on.

Well, I've gotta agree, I am really sick of that crap. I deeply, deeply wish D&D could leave behind this absurd (and, honestly, kind of creepy) idea about evil being a genetic quality. I've always been really annoyed by stuff like that "Most half-orcs are evil and violent, but some struggle against their natural inclinations and try to be heroes!" fluff.

 

[Baby Samurai]

Also, I'm really hoping aasimars are in.

Well it looks like eladrins (formerly aasimar) are in as a PC race.

 

[Malhost Zormaeril]

Well it looks like eladrins (formerly aasimar) are in as a PC race.

Huh, Eladrin is the new word for Aasimar? To me, they were the Celestial race natural to Olympus/Arvandor... Living and learning, living and learning.

Hey, maybe they can change "Tiefling" to "Yugoloth"! It would certainly be cooler, and I heard very very little of those fellows in 3e...

 

[KarinsDad]

I voted no. D&D has enough Angst-ridden suck-boys as it is without having to add them in the PHB.
If they are, you might as well add in drow so they both can have the whole "ARRRG! Woe is me! I was born from evil, but I am good! Gosh darn my heritage! What is the fantasy version of Hot-Topic? For I wish to mope." thing going on.

Ditto for Half Orc.

I think quasi-evil races and especially ones with planar heritages should be in future supplements and not the core books.

It's better to beef up Gnomes and Half Elves than it is to add in crap races, and even Half Elves should be dropped (half races in general should be dropped in favor of actual races).

Where's the angst ridden Dwarf half boy???

Tieflings are just lame, were not even in several of the settings, and the main reason for people to take them was Alter Self. Talk about metagaming.

 

[Wormwood]

It's not nearly as specific as half-orcs.

Just last week I got to explain to my wife and 11 and 13-year old nephews sometimes the snarling psychotic baboon-men in the Monster Manual. . . well . . . uh . . . you see, sometimes they fall in love with regular people. And have babies and stuff.

At least with the Tieflings, I can point to the succubus picture and we can assume it was consensual

 

[Baby Samurai]

Hey, maybe they can change "Tiefling" to "Yugoloth"!

No, no, I can't stand those silly comic book names (baatezu, tanar’ri, and especially yugoloth) made up to appease the D&D is satanic crowd in the early 90's.

I also want my Typed demons back, where the Balor is simply the name of one Type VI demon!

 

[Klaus]

Just last week I got to explain to my wife and 11 and 13-year old nephews sometimes the snarling psychotic baboon-men in the Monster Manual. . . well . . . uh . . . you see, sometimes they fall in love with regular people. And have babies and stuff.

At least with the Tieflings, I can point to the succubus picture and we can assume it was consensual

I'd go one step further and instead of tieflings have a "inheritor" race. You choose your heritage from Celestial, Fiendish, Fey or Giant.