Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

[Piratecat]

Piratecat, your attitude of waiting to see what 4e is like before passing judgement on it is really inappropriate in the 4e discussions taking place here. If some 4e snark doesn't start really soon, you'll be reported to the mods.

Sorry! I'll ban myself.

 

[Simia Saturnalia]

As a race, no. As a bloodlines style evolving template that could be added to any base race, yes.

My main issue with planetouched is the strong implication in the art and descriptions that only humans have any planar mingling. Give me an even shot at a "Tiefling halfling" and an "assimar dwarf" and I'm all for it. A single race called tiefling? No thank you.

Hey, thanks for dropping off my opinion in the thread, KB.

I'm all for "born of mingled immortal blood" being in the core as a race option, but surely they mate with non-humans too?

 

[Felon]

Scroll down to the 12th post and read the line just below the picture:
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=204241

Thanks for the link. I"m not sure that's conclusive that eladrin are a core race, but assuming it is, then we may be looking at eladrin as the CG branch of planetouched. Again, I'm guessing there's some kind of parallel between planetouched on the multi-aligned paladin.

 

[Mercule]

What would you inherit from a Giant, except large feet?

Well, if you only get one enlarged feature, giant blood would explain the barmaids in some artwork.

 

[talinthalas]

OK, please clarify something for me. Do we have any indication that tieflings will be a core race beyond seeing something with horns on the cover of the PHB?

Yes it was stated by Rich Baker I believe that the tiefling will be in the PHB1. And that is why he is on the cover of the PHB1. And Orcus is on the cover of the MM1. Does anyone remember what was on the DMG?

Talinthalas

 

[Simia Saturnalia]

Wow. I can see how hard it would have been to say "that picture is of a big mean warrior in the middle of a fight, and there is a whole race that does look kinda funny but are still people and in this story people of all kinds make babies with each other...."

The assumption that all half orcs come from rape (of a human woman of course, because a human man would never touch an orc woman during a (retaliatory and deserved, obviously) village raid) has always struck me as more of an advertisement of the speaker's imaginative shortcomings than the "telling it like it is" it's so often advertised as.

But of course, mental domination power aside, sex with succubi must be consensual, because they're HOT.

Your orcs are welcome to be people, man.

Mine are born in deep holes in the earth, mockeries of men crafted by the hate and rage of the Horned Lord, Breaker of Walls and Reaver of Cities, an ancient horror buried under the bleak mountain range known to the world as The Crags. They take what they want when they want, regard humans roughly as a steak you get to torture to death first, and they don't have womenfolk. So, assumption holds.

My succubi however lie like, well, demons. And pretend to be loved ones. So yes again.

You can stick your 'imaginative shortcomings' in your bag of holding, chief. Some of us keep post-modernism largely out of their non-Planescape milieus.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Your orcs are welcome to be people, man.

Mine are born in deep holes in the earth, mockeries of men crafted by the hate and rage of the Horned Lord, Breaker of Walls and Reaver of Cities, an ancient horror buried under the bleak mountain range known to the world as The Crags. They take what they want when they want, regard humans roughly as a steak you get to torture to death first, and they don't have womenfolk. So, assumption holds.

My succubi however lie like, well, demons. And pretend to be loved ones. So yes again.

You can stick your 'imaginative shortcomings' in your bag of holding, chief. Some of us keep post-modernism largely out of their non-Planescape milieus.

Your orcs are homebrewed, and you are welcome to them. Bye now.

 

[der_kluge]

Sure, why not? I'm willing to give WotC the benefit of the doubt.

Cheers, -- N

You say this after having seen what they did to the 3rd edition Bard?? Wow, that's a whole lotta faith, mister.


I say absolutely not. Even if they do end up there, I won't allow them.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Continuing along ...

I notice that one of the big design drivers of 4E is to have race matter more than in 3E (where whatever racial bonuses you have are swamped by your class bonuses before long).

As mentioned in a different thread, this may take the form of some kind of "Racial Talent Trees." As in, there's a Dwarf talent tree, an Elf Talent tree, etc.

Well, what if there's also a Fiendish Blood, a Fey Blood, and a Celestial Blood talent tree, which is available to all races?

So, a tiefling (as pictured on the front of the PHB) is just a Human who's taken the first couple Fiendish Blood talents instead of the Human talents?

 

[Kesh]

Yugoloth is a name from Call of Cthulhu. Or I think it is. I could be wrong.

You may be thinking of Y'golonac. (Not entirely worksafe image, there.)