Does a Death Ward Protect against Phantasmal Killer?

[Xylix]

I love it when pseudo-intellectuals try to use "logic" to rewrite the core rules.

Most facinating, however this one would say that he is using logic to defend what he percieves as the core rules.

From my perspecitve you are trying to yell me inorder to misinterpurt the rules...



The success on my side is the utter lack of logic on the opposite side. It really shouldn't be that hard to argue against me if your are right, infact, you should be able to easily destroy my argument if you are right.


However, instead of doing so all I get is consistent repeats of the same statement, with no backing. Surely getting backing isn't that difficult?


Anyone who has studied logic would know that is not an arugment, the few arguments I see have one premise and one conclusion leading. Where one would not accept the premise unless they accepted conclusion.


It isn't my fault that the other side is arguing poorly, heck I almost feel pity and have tossed them some arguments for them, or even told them where to start. Surely if these statements they make are right that they can show evidence, Heck I would accept a 'FAQ say', 'Errata Says' etc... as a good start. They are at least legimate authorites on the subject.


If they have evidence they should decimate me at this point. The lack of doing so indicates that nobody has an oppinion based on anything but gut instinct. Not bad for a GM, but gut doesn't stand well in an argument.

 

[Caliban]

Whining snipped

Here's a logical operator for you:

Until you can learn to discuss things like an adult rather than talk down to everyone like children, your points are FAIRLY likely to be ignored.

Myself, I don't really care if you have a good case or not at this point. From what I have read so far, you are being an ass, and I'm not going to bother dignifiying you with a real debate until you drop the attitude.

Let me know when you want a real discussion.

 

[daemonslye]

Hmmm.

Disintegrate does not have a death descriptor either, but
RttToEE p.180 allows The First to use his "pay fealty to death"
PrC feat (adds "+1 to DC of spells causing death effects" p.163)
with it.

That said, I believe it is a mistake (spell focus necro is added
as well, IIRC).

~D

 

[Xylix]

Whining is an intersting choice of words. I suppose you think I am complaining? I am quite amused I can assure you that.

Here's a logical operator for you:

That is not a logical operator. I am sure you know that.

Until you can learn to discuss things like an adult rather than talk down to everyone like children, your points are FAIRLY likely to be ignored.

Myself, I don't really care if you have a good case or not at this point. From what I have read so far, you are being an ass, and I'm not going to bother dignifiying you with a real debate until you drop the attitude.

Let me know when you want a real discussion.

I talk down to people who fail to approach the argument as an argument, and will continue to do so. Why?

Very simple. First it makes them mad and annoyed. If they are mad and annoyed they are more likely to attack my argument. If they cannot, well that is just to bad.

When they attack my argument, I am forced to think my argument through, in doing so it becomes stronger as weaknesses are revealed. If the weakness is fatal my argument dies. In either case I am enlightened by the attack upon my argument.

In such I benifit from their anger. Once they start attacking my argument I immediatly praise because I am happy I am recieveing what I desire. It is also to encourage their heads to be cooler when making their attacks. Thus they can be more effective in arguing and the resultant answer, if one is determinable, can be retrieved faster.

Secondly, because real arguments should be civil between individuals.

Thirdly, because often attacks that are falicious are intentional distortions by the otherside. Rarely do you see falicies alone unless they are intended. If there is lack of respect on the opposing side there is no point showing the same to the other side. afterall they obviously have no intention of attempting to find the correct answer. They just whish to spout their oppinion.

Myself, I don't really care if you have a good case or not at this point.

That is because you are not an intellectual. To me a good case is all that is important. You however wage kindness higher. Ironically you only contend this on the side approaching your oppinion. However this is your choice and it is difficult to rise above such bias.

And no, I am by no means immune to such things, such a presumption would be a false analysis of my statments.

From what I have read so far, you are being an ass, and I'm not going to bother dignifiying you with a real debate until you drop the attitude.

*Chuckle*, I don't suppose then you will refrain from the same direct insults yourself? Or are you merely a hypocrit?

Heck, at least I am offering a discussion for those that actually care on the matter. You don't offer anything but an insult. If you do not wish to participate in such personal attacks, don't do so. Simply address the argument and give a good example by rising above your opponent.

It actually is a very good style.

Let me know when you want a real discussion.

I am waiting for it. The question is can you provide it? If so do so and I will immediately focus on what I consider the more important matter.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Btw Xylix, IIRC, Caliban actually agrees with you but takes offense at the way you presented your argument for whatever reason.

 

[Xylix]

Btw Xylix, IIRC, Caliban actually agrees with you but takes offense at the way you presented your argument for whatever reason.

LOL

Darn!!!

Hmmm.

Disintegrate does not have a death descriptor either, but
RttToEE p.180 allows The First to use his "pay fealty to death"
PrC feat (adds "+1 to DC of spells causing death effects" p.163)
with it.

That said, I believe it is a mistake (spell focus necro is added
as well, IIRC).

~D

Interesting point, however if focus necro is also added in it may well be a mistake.

 

[jasper]

Why not the SRD
This strongly implies that anything that flatly says 'save or die' is a death effect, otherwise an assasins death attack is not actually a death effect since it does not say that it is.

ok thanks aggemam. I guess I was wrong.

 

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[Caliban]

More hot air snipped.

All you have done is prove my point. You are not an intellectual, you are a pseudo-intellectual. You simply aren't worth my time.

Have a nice day.

 

[AGGEMAM]

All you have done is prove my point. You are not an intellectual, you are a pseudo-intellectual. You simply aren't worth my time.

What is eating you today, Caliban ?