Does a Paladins Smite Multiply ?

[Legildur]

And throwing Power Attack into the equation starts to make it really messy... for the critter on the receiving end of the lance that is!

 

[Klaus]

Throw in the Tremendous Charge feat from the DLCS book (on a charge, use mount's Str modifier to damage instead of rider's... lance has pass a DC8 Fort save or shatter).

I think the horse will explode...

 

[Particle_Man]

Just remember to Detect Evil before you smite. It really sucks to waste a smite on a hostile neutral.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Throw in the Tremendous Charge feat from the DLCS book (on a charge, use mount's Str modifier to damage instead of rider's... lance has pass a DC8 Fort save or shatter).

I think the horse will explode...

Yup, definitely--of course, since you've traded special mount away, you probably need Leadership or the Draconic Cohort feat to grab a mount-worthy cohort (and/or one that has more Strength than the rider).

 

[Drago]

Hey Folks,
Thanks for all your answers, I got my point across.

Thanks Again,
Drago/Dave

 

[Plane Sailing]

Picture now a Paladin with the Charging Smite ability from PHBII (2x smite damage on a charge, in exchange for special mount). He makes a mounted charge with a lance (2x damage) and scores a critical hit. Damage would be 4d8 + (Str bonus x4) + (smite damage x5)!!!

That has GOT to hurt!

In my last game my 6th level paladin did a spirited charge with his mounted lance and got a critical hit. Yay! I think that is x5 damage. He wasn't smiting though, and his total damage came to 26.

Did I mention that he is a halfling paladin? Who rolls badly?

 

[Klaus]

Now picture a Paladin 10/Cavalier 10 doing a smite on an Unstoppable Charge and doing a critical hit. That's x7 damage! It'd be like in the Star Wars movies, when the TIE Fighter explodes and the X-Wing flies through the blast!

Only with more blood.

 

[Thurbane]

IIRC, it's only extra die damage that doesn't get multiplied. Since smite isn't extra die damage, it multiplies (just like Gremlins fed after midnight! ).

Exactly - any extra damage which is expressed as a set figure (Smite, STR bonus, Weapon Specialization, Favored Enemy etc.) gets multiplied; any extra figure expressed as additional dice (Sneak Attack, Flaming Weapon etc.) does not.

 

[HeapThaumaturgist]

Yea ... the campaign I played in that had a Halfling Paladin was the one where I played Grimbold The Mighty, goblin rogue.

The GM even gave me "Bolt" as a bonus feat (if reduced to 1/2 or fewer HP from an attack you may choose, as an immediate action, to drop everything held and take a Withdraw action ... I used that feat ALL THE TIME).

Grimbold's stock in trade was, upon my hearing: "Roll For Initiative" to run and hide, immediately. Even if he got Init (with Improved Init he usually did) ... no Sneak Attacks, just with the running and the hiding. I spent the entirety of one climax combat hiding in a barrel of ale. When the GM would get to me I'd say: "Still have X rounds left holding my breath ... I continue hiding in the barrel." Then, on the last round, he stood up in the barrel like an ugly little Ahnold Schwarzenhoofer in "Predator" with his bow and got a sneak attack in to kill the last badguy.

I totally got away with this method of roleplaying, and got many kudos from the table as a whole, because the Halfling Paladin so completely dominated combat I didn't need to show up. Just riding around with that lance skewering monsters with Rideby and Spirited Charge, usually taking them out with one pop apiece. I wouldn't have tried to play the useless coward otherwise.

--fje

 

[Klaus]

Nope. Damage is (unless I misunderstand the ability):

(d8+ STR bonus + (Smite x 2)) + (d8+ STR bonus + (Smite x 2)) + (d8+ STR bonus + (Smite x 2)) + (d8+ STR bonus + (Smite x 2))

You do not multiply the parts of the damage, you roll the damage more than once - if you look at it that way it's easier to understand.

Thus, in this case, it comes out to 4d8 + (4 x STR bonus) + ( 8 x Smite damage).

Right?

I went over this ability again yesterday. It adds +2/class level to your smite damage if you´re charging. So a Paladin 10 with Str 18 and Cha 16, while charging with a lance and the Spirited Charge feat does:

1d8 (lance) + 4 (Str) + 10 (smite) + 20 (Charging Smite) twice, or 2d8+68 damage

If he crits on that charge, the damage is 4d8+136.

If we're talking about a Paladin 10/Cavalier 10, with the Unstoppable Charge ability, the damage becomes 5d8+170 on a charge, or 7d8+238 on a crit!!!!