Does anyone actually like Dragonborn and Tieflings?

[ProfessorCirno]

Im going to ask the people who think tieflings and dragonborn should not be core one question. Why? Why should they not be core? Just because tolkien did not have them?

Because they're change for the sake of change, and it's poorly done change. They're not aesthetically pleasing at all. Their fluff isn't enjoyable. Dragonborn are there for "People who want to play dragons!" and tieflings are there for "People who like Drizzt!" Because they're too out there and "wowee!" for Core.

 

[Fifth Element]

Because they're change for the sake of change, and it's poorly done change. They're not aesthetically pleasing at all. Their fluff isn't enjoyable.

Pure opinion. Many enjoy the art and background info.

Dragonborn are there for "People who want to play dragons!" and tieflings are there for "People who like Drizzt!" Because they're too out there and "wowee!" for Core.

People have been wanting to play dragons since at least 1E days (otherwise EGG would not have warned against it). And methinks if they wanted a race for people who want to play Drizzt, they would have used, y'know, drow.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

People have been wanting to play dragons since at least 1E days (otherwise EGG would not have warned against it). And methinks if they wanted a race for people who want to play Drizzt, they would have used, y'know, drow.

I believe it was on this thread, last page, in which I showed the developers stating that they modeled the new tieflings after Drizzt.

 

[williamhm]

I believe it was on this thread, last page, in which I showed the developers stating that they modeled the new tieflings after Drizzt.

change is good though, and how is the fluff any worse than the fluff for any other race? I mean I love the new art for dwarves but their fluff could come straight out of tolkien. Which is really bland. Personally I like the fluff for both tieflings and dragonborn, as do according to the poll the majority of people.

 

[Rechan]

I believe it was on this thread, last page, in which I showed the developers stating that they modeled the new tieflings after Drizzt.

Here's you, quoting Races and Classes:

Forgive my bias, but I'll take horns and brimstone over sunshine and perfection any day. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to be the super good guy.

"Sunshine and Perfection" encompasses Drizzt more than horns and brimstone. Believe me? Read any of Salvatore's books. Try to slog through the basalt-thick tripe that are Drizzt's journal entries at the beginning of each Act. They are full of "Why can't we all just get along"s. The "angst" comes from the "Woe, everyone is mean to me, where be my acceptance?", "There is so much evil in the world. It's not right," and other 'outwardly stoic, inwardly crying and desperately in need of a hug' stuff. He, honest to god, touched a unicorn in Sojourn. Du'Urden craps rainbows.

Tieflings are, well, horns and brimstone. It's "Evil-Curious" and "The Bad Boy", lacking only a pompadour (but I think that's because it just doesn't work with the horns). They scream "YEAH I've got infernal redbull pumping through my veins; want to fight about it?" that reaches out to every angry or cynical teenager in the world who thinks he's too cool in his trench coat. They are a race of John Bender, Fonzi, Marlon Brando, Captain Jack Sparrow, Spike, Dirty Harry, Lord Byron, Rudy, Blade, Neo, Gambit and Wolverine in a blender.

So I don't see how one can connect Drizzt to the Tieflings.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Here's you, quoting Races and Classes:
"Sunshine and Perfection" encompasses Drizzt more than horns and brimstone. Believe me? Read any of Salvatore's books. Try to slog through the basalt-thick tripe that are Drizzt's journal entries at the beginning of each Act. They are full of "Why can't we all just get along"s. The "angst" comes from the "Woe, everyone is mean to me, where be my acceptance?", "There is so much evil in the world. It's not right," and other 'outwardly stoic, inwardly crying and desperately in need of a hug' stuff. He, honest to god, touched a unicorn in Sojourn. Du'Urden craps rainbows.

Tieflings are, well, horns and brimstone. It's "Evil-Curious" and "The Bad Boy", lacking only a pompadour (but I think that's because it just doesn't work with the horns). They scream "YEAH I've got infernal redbull pumping through my veins; want to fight about it?" that reaches out to every angry or cynical teenager in the world who thinks he's too cool in his trench coat. They are a race of John Bender, Fonzi, Marlon Brando, Captain Jack Sparrow, Spike, Dirty Harry, Rudy, Neo, Gambit and Wolverine in a blender.

So I don't see how one can connect Drizzt to the Tieflings.

Here's ALSO me quoting that same thing:

Sly, sexy, and a little sinister, they afforded D&D players a chance to flirt with the dark side without actually crossing the line into full-blown evil. Why play Drizzt when you could play the great-grandson of a pit fiend"

 

[Mallus]

Dragonborn are there for "People who want to play dragons!" and tieflings are there for "People who like Drizzt!"

You sure about that? My group likes both the new races, and we, collectively, know our way around fantasy. In fact, we incorporated the whole Tiefling/Dragonborn war into our new homebrew. A first for us, being inspired by RAW fluff.

 

[Rechan]

Here's ALSO me quoting that same thing:

And here is me saying that doesn't dispute a single word I just said. In fact, it reinforces it.

 

[hong]

Here's ALSO me quoting that same thing:

You might want to read the bit you quoted again.

 

[Fifth Element]

Here's ALSO me quoting that same thing:

That actually refers to giving an alternative to playing a Drizzt-type. I don't think that meshes with your claim that tieflings were modeled on Drizzt.