Does anyone else think D&D 4th edition should be more like 2nd edition

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Personally I hate 3rd edition and 3.5 WoTC completely changed all the rules they screwed up monster HD

How?

added monster classes

This could mean many things, but because of your poor grammar it's hard to tell.

Do you mean adding classes to monsters, because if that's what you meant then I can only say that 3e kicks ass compared to the tortured 2e rules.

(and Savage Species was just crap)

*Shrugs*

gave all the classes the same xp bonus

GOOD! That removed the problem with crappy rogues, IMO.

and made it a low tech version of the Star Wars RPG I like that game but I want my Jedi and Dwarven fighters seperated.

Then don't put dwarves and jedi in the same game.

 

[Ranger REG]

Personally I hate 3rd edition and 3.5 WoTC completely changed all the rules they screwed up monster HD added monster classes(and Savage Species was just crap),gave all the classes the same xp bonus and made it a low tech version of the Star Wars RPG I like that game but I want my Jedi and Dwarven fighters seperated.

Meh. I want my Veritech pilot separated from my Wolfen priest. OR How about my Brujah thug separated from my Akashic adept? OR how my about my WWII: Dogface separated by my Transhuman Space?

I don't like:

THAC0,
armor class improve by number going down into negative,
NWP heavily depended on attribute,
too many class XP tables,
separate dual- & multi-class systems,
... oh, and all monsters using one hit die type (d8).

Do what you like with your own game, but don't you dare put restriction on mine.

 

[Foundry of Decay]

I would personally rather allow large, angry gorillas to spank me around my back yard with nail-studded oars while my neighbors threw beer bottles at me in drunken revellry than go back to 2e.

First of all, wouldn't it be pointless to release a new edition just to cover an edition that has already been done for over two decades? Is there some strange, incredibly obscure rule that you feel you may have missed with the few thousand supplements and world books that were released under the old system?

Progress would mean improving on the existing. Or at least trying to, and I'd certainly not want to go back to rules that seemed not to even belong to the same system. Thief checks using percentile dice (and therefor be limited to an arbitrary number between 1 and 100 no matter what your dexterity), Thac0 which I've never been impressed with, and a myriad of other things that have already been explained by others in this post.

I will admit that 2e had an elegance in areas, but I recall playing for years and only getting characters to 9th level because of the insane experience system. These days I don't have entire summers to blow on playing nothing but D&D, and I like a streamlined system that allows me to advance once in a while and actually *mean* something in game terms. I found 2e pointless to advance in unless you were a caster of some sort.

So count this as a no vote. Second edition rules has already been done.

 

[dekrass]

More like 2nd edition!?!

By all the gods, man NO!

Now I'm going to go read my PHB again, and pretend this wasn't even mentioned. *shivers*

 

[Ranger REG]

I would personally rather allow large, angry gorillas to spank me around my back yard with nail-studded oars while my neighbors threw beer bottles at me in drunken revellry than go back to 2e.

Ooh! I'd watch that for a dollar!

I will admit that 2e had an elegance in areas,...

I must admit that is true. 3e doesn't have the kind of writing and layout that says, "I welcome you to D&D. Come play me." It reads more like a university law book. Now some people don't mind it, because they should be rulebooks, but this is for a role-playing game, not the NFL (try reading THAT rulebook). They got the rules crunch pat down, they just need to write exciting fluff.

I mean there is a creative difference between a book by Robert Jordan than a book by Kevin J Anderson.

 

[Gnarlo]

I would personally rather allow large, angry gorillas to spank me around my back yard with nail-studded oars while my neighbors threw beer bottles at me in drunken revellry than go back to 2e.

Ahhhh, that was you on C.O.P.S.!

 

[Gez]

Personally I love 3rd edition and 3.5 WoTC completely changed all the rules they bettered monster HD added monster classes(and Savage Species was long awaited),gave all the classes the same xp bonus and made it an all-purpose fantasy game that can be modified a bit for space fantasy like the Star Wars RPG I like that game too and now I can play a dwarven jedi in a fun crossover, lol.

 

[Turanil]

I'm not go out of my way to be trollish I'm just saying I liked 2nd edition more and that I think D20 doesn't work for D&D. So I want D&D to start going back in the direction it was going when Gary Gygax controlled it.

It's not an hypothetical D&D 4th = AD&D 2nd that you are looking for. I tell you: you are searching for Castles & Crusades. To know more about it, just get a look at this thread.

Personally, I don't want anything of a 4th edition, and even less of one like 2E; on the other hand I already ordered my Castles & Crusades books.

 

[Tonguez]

I still don't know how thac0 worked - it IS the absolute worse idea in gaming!!!

2e was horrible, original DnD was fun (and yes less rules intensive)

but 3e is brilliant and D20 has almost gone towards becoming a classless system which IMHO would be perfect!

See yeah lets see 4e = the system with no class

 

[Squire James]

Hmmm...

Special tables for Pummelling and Wrestling, both of which assumed both combatants were medium-sized humanoids. Actually, it didn't specify that, but if they weren't the system made no sense. Any 0-level human (what commoners were called back then) had about a 1% chance per round of KO-ing, oh, Thor or Godzilla.

About half the spells in the game took considerable judgement by the DM to determine their in-game effects. "We had a cool adventure last week... I killed Thor with a Push spell! And my buddy poisoned Godzilla and he rolled a 1 on his save, so it dropped dead!"

A spell called Push (ok, it's 1e, so sue me).

Thor and Godzilla getting beaten up or killed in various examples.

Posts started with the intention of making a point, but getting side-tracked and kinda forgetting the point by the end.