Does PH(N), DM(N) and every class expansion book turn you off?

[foolish_mortals]

I don't know if the next dnd is even decent that people will instantly buy it. Its gotten such a negative reputation these days that its going to be hard to bring people back into the fold. I consider the Pathfinder faction completely gone. Then there are the people like me who have gone on to completely different games and aren't going to buy the new game right away or at all. I don't know how we got to this point, but here we are. To me the unified community is a big wet dream. I have a hard time recognizing 4th edition players when they start talking as even dnders. It's that weird! How to unify people coming from completely different universes doesn't seem doable to me.

foolish_mortals

 

[Stormonu]

Its gotten such a negative reputation these days that its going to be hard to bring people back into the fold. I consider the Pathfinder faction completely gone.

foolish_mortals

I'm a Pathfinder (and Savage Worlds) DM/player, with no desire to play 4E, and I am heartily looking forward to what 5E will bring.

 

[foolish_mortals]

well, I'm glad you feel optimism. I have to wonder what your basing it off of since I don't have any. At least I can soldier on for awhile.

foolish_mortals

 

[Lord Zardoz]

I prefer the PHB(N) model (PHB1 / PHB2 / PHB3 / etc) model much more than the old way. Whether its the PHB4 or the Complete book of Splat, WotC is going to be selling bundles of character building crunch to the players. The PHB(N) model is much better at being of general use. A Complete Book of Gnomes is only useful to the subset of the players that like Gnomes, and the Complete Book of Wizards is not much help to the Rogue player.

Perhaps though a naming tweak may be in order, and keeping things in the general mode of 'Heroes of the Feywild' / 'Heroes of the Shadowfel'.

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[foolish_mortals]

my god, was there a PHB4 which I haven't seen anywhere?

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[Dice4Hire]

my god, was there a PHB4 which I haven't seen anywhere?

foolish_mortals

Nope, that is hyperbole.


I have no problem with more options as long as they are interesting, but I do think we have gone too far with them in 3.X and 4E.

PHBI, II and II were not really the problem IMHO. It was MPI, III DP I, and so on. Those should be out, I think.

Making the Heroes books as mini PHBs with a race or two and some class stuff matches the modularity better

But as I said in another thread. PHBI should be level 1-10 (Using the 4E model) and no more. Paragon and Epic should be supplementary rules, not in PHBS.

 

[delericho]

I don't like an endless stream of books, I don't like books filled with junk, and I don't like seeing the books superseded with lots of errata.

So, they should probably release the supplementary material to DDI first for a semi-unofficial playtest period. Find the problems, apply the errata/revisions, and then take it to print.

I think the best way forward is to have occasional, big and meaty releases for the game.

I actually think Pathfinder has the right of this - a decent set of options in the Core, then the "Advanced Player's Guide" adds a number of additional options (fully fleshed out), and then the "Ultimate..." splatbooks that each add a few more. I'm really hoping there won't ever be a "Very Advanced Player's Guide" or "Ultimate Combat 2".

(Incidentally, 3.5e had much the same arrangement with the "Complete..." books and PHB2; it was just the order that was different. However, I would advise against putting a number in the title of any book other than a Monster Manual - it seems to be a pretty good sign that the game is degenerating.)

To be fair, I didn't think 4e was unreasonable in having the PHB, PHB2 and PHB3. Those were all fairly meaty tomes. I didn't like the suggestion (at the outset) that we might have an endless series of them. And there's no justification for ever publishing "Martial Power 2"!