D&D 5E Don't play "stupid" characters. It is ableist.

[John R Davis]

Seems like a classic befended thread.

No link between IQ and 'stupidity' IMO ( which in itself is in the eye of the beholder). Often have to be very bright to do something one would think 'stupid'. And what you think is stupid another person wouldn't.

It's a game and doing something daft is all part of the frolics in the basement.

 

[Umbran]

You know what I discovered though?

Mod Note:
You have also discovered that publicly enabling people to work around the wishes of your fellow posters is deeply, deeply frowned upon. You are, in fact, publicly announcing your desire to help make the place worse for other posters.

For that, you are done in this thread.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

You're going to need to prove that opinion. I don't care what someone believes. If that belief is acted on, that's when it becomes a problem since that's when it hurts someone.

Your argument is that something that does absolutely no harm to any living thing is somehow wrong. The benefit of diversity isn't a personal belief. It's action. Action can be right or wrong, depending on if it harms or helps.

If someone's beliefs are racist, but he never, ever acts on those beliefs, who is hurt?

I'm done. If your argument seriously is "believing racist stuff is okay", in any circumstance, you're objectively wrong and have a harmful viewpoint. Bigotry is always wrong, and saying otherwise justifies bigots and their backwards, exclusionary mindset.

 

[Umbran]

And while I strongly disagree with that, I support your right to hold that belief.

Mod Note:
You just made this thread seem a lot less safe to a load of people. While you are allowed to believe what you like, making people feel unsafe around you is a problem.

You, too, are done in this discussion.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I'm believe that being bigoted is in itself wrong. Having that bigotry cause harm to another person is a second wrong.

I am really not disagreeing with your sentiment, but I'd like to point out that the underlying disagreement stems from a conflict between teleological vs deontological ethics, and that debate has literally been going on for several millennia. So in broader sense it would be pretty hard to argue that either position is 'obviously correct'. If it was, the ancient Greeks would have already settled this somewhere around 400 BC.

 

[BookTenTiger]

I am really not disagreeing with your sentiment, but I'd like to point out that the underlying disagreement stems from a conflict between teleological vs deontological ethics, and that debate has literally been going on for several millennia. So in broader sense it would be pretty hard to argue that either position is 'obviously correct'. If it was, the ancient Greeks would have already settled this somewhere around 400 BC.

Are you saying a debate stretching millennia isn't going to get resolved in a D&D Forum?

What if... I roll a 20 on my Persuasion check???

 

[Charlaquin]

I am really not disagreeing with your sentiment, but I'd like to point out that the underlying disagreement stems from a conflict between teleological vs deontological ethics, and that debate has literally been going on for several millennia. So in broader sense it would be pretty hard to argue that either position is 'obviously correct'. If it was, the ancient Greeks would have already settled this somewhere around 400 BC.

The neat thing is, we don’t actually have to reconcile these ethical systems to agree that it’s good to promote a culture that discourages unethical behavior. Whether or not you believe that bigots who keep their bigotry private are doing anything wrong, I would hope we can all agree that we don’t want them doing those things in public.

 

[Faolyn]

Deleted; didn't see he'd been removed.

 

[Faolyn]

I am really not disagreeing with your sentiment, but I'd like to point out that the underlying disagreement stems from a conflict between teleological vs deontological ethics, and that debate has literally been going on for several millennia. So in broader sense it would be pretty hard to argue that either position is 'obviously correct'. If it was, the ancient Greeks would have already settled this somewhere around 400 BC.

I don't know from philosophy, sadly. It's never been my strong suit.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

The neat thing is, we don’t actually have to reconcile these ethical systems to agree that it’s good to promote a culture that discourages unethical behavior. Whether or not you believe that bigots who keep their bigotry private are doing anything wrong, I would hope we can all agree that we don’t want them doing those things in public.

Absolutely.