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[Lord Pendragon]

For the record, ST:NG had a larger cast than TOS, and everyone got laid in that show, (sometimes twice), even the android.

I don't recall Geordi ever getting lucky...

 

[Kesh]

Aside from the alteration to the Prime Directive, I really loved that treatment. It sounds like something I'd like to watch.

It's still possible to continue in the current universe, but I think we'd have to do something rather different from the shows we've seen so far.

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

I don't recall Geordi ever getting lucky...

He had a romance with the girl whose dog was a shape-changing murderer.

He was also married in the possible future from "All Good Things..."

We saw him get dumped once on the holodeck, but that can't be the only dating he did, and presumably some of them ended in a second date (and 24th century girls all seem to get naked on the first date).

No offense to Wil Wheaton, but it does seem odd that Wesley got more action than Geordi...

...and it occurs to me that I know way too much about fictional universes.

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

Aside from the alteration to the Prime Directive, I really loved that treatment. It sounds like something I'd like to watch.

It's still possible to continue in the current universe, but I think we'd have to do something rather different from the shows we've seen so far.

I think you could do a fairly good show based on the 30th century time patrol, or some such. We've seen multiple allusions that such a thing exists, and it would provide a REASON for the ubiquitous time travel we see in Star Trek. There is certainly enough to patrol...

TOS had Kirk falling in love with Judith Keeler in the early 20th century, plus the Enterprise went back to the 60s at least twice (once they met Gary Seven, and once they "kidknapped" an Air Force Pilot). ST IV obviously was all about the time travel. There was also another ep where they traveled through time on an alien world whose residents had all fled some calamity.

TNG had the cool return of Tasha Yar, a jaunt to 19th century San Fran where Data lost his head, and time twisting in the final episode.

DS9 had a whole planet in the Delta Quandrant populated by descendents of DS9 crew sent back in time. They also went back to the "Mission District" in the 21st century, and visited Kirk in "Trials and Tribblations."

Voyager fought the Krenim timeship, altered history in at least a couple of episodes on a planetary scale, created an alternate timeline where Harry Kim never left Earth, and used time travel to resolve the whole series. Oh, and there was the Romulan through the wormhole episode in season 1.

A huge swath of Enterprise was taken up by a "temporal cold war." 'Nuff said on that.

I'm all set for "Time Trek."

Edit: Forgot the time-travelling crooks in the ep where Picard gets some nookie with Vash.

 

[Vigilance]

Thus Vigilance should we say because the we no longer have the Martini Lunch, Smoking in offices, and term sexually agressive behavor as coercive and harrasing, do we know, in the real world, live in a different universe than say in the 60's?

And you managed to entirely miss my point.

It isn't that WE have changed.

The people on TOS were WAY more disfunctional than a starship crew made up of *us* would be.

But in the time between series, Roddenberry read a lot of his own press, heard trekkies and reporters describe him as a "utopian visionary" and believed it. Thus TNG had "utopian humanity".

It's something many people think of an integral to trek, the utopian nature of humanity and the Federation and I'm telling you it's a part of the reboot that is TNG.

Human nature didn't change in our world between TOS and TNG but it sure as heck did in the ST universe, where you go from yelling on the bridge of the Enterprise and every other Admiral being completely insane and megalomanical to a utopian vision of the future.

Ron Moore (TNG, DS9 and BSG writer) even had stories about joining the writing staff and being told "this crew doesn't fight because that's the way Gene sees the future" and going "but the old show was never like that".

 

[drothgery]

Human nature didn't change in our world between TOS and TNG but it sure as heck did in the ST universe, where you go from yelling on the bridge of the Enterprise and every other Admiral being completely insane and megalomanical to a utopian vision of the future.

The only calm, competent and rational TNG/DS9/VOY Admiral that was more than a bit player was Sisko's boss in the last part of the war arc. And that was in DS9 -- where they were trying to build some grit and conflict back into Star Trek.

 

[satori01]

I see it a less human nature, and more a conscious choice to make the Captain a different beast. I think you also had the decision to make a more consistent show. TOS was all over the place in its limited run, it was also much more a show about Kirk, Spock, and to a lesser extant McCoy. Thus you had the three senior officers away and in harms way all the time.

ST:NG addressed this in the pilot where Riker basically told Picard, the Captain's place was on the ship, not on some alien planet on an away mission.

I hear what you are saying, but a reboot constitutes a wipping away of what happened before. I never got a sense of that from ST:NG, I never felt that the old series never happened, it just felt like old history, a much different time.

Except for Klingons, Klingons got a reboot, from sly and crafty, to samurai like honor bound idiots.

 

[Vigilance]

I hear what you are saying, but a reboot constitutes a wipping away of what happened before. I never got a sense of that from ST:NG, I never felt that the old series never happened, it just felt like old history, a much different time.

Agreed and it is very unlikely (from that standpoint) that what JJ Abrams is going to do will be a reboot in that, even he does unknown stories of Kirk and crew he will probably not be in your face about saying "the series never happened" or do something drastic to make it clear TOS never happened (like making Scotty a woman).

But my point was, if people can handle the level of difference between TOS and TNG, then they should be able to handle stories about TOS crew played by different actors.

In other words, if Abrams makes a movie set in the time between the first pilot and the second pilot, showing Kirk taking command of the Entperprise for the first time, are people to let it ride and watch the movie for what it is or turn their noses up and be purists?

For my part, Im an easy mark. If it's better than Voyager and Ent Seasons 1-3, I will be there. And as for new stories about Kirk and crew, I say rock on.

Chuck

 

[Ranger REG]

Except for Klingons, Klingons got a reboot, from sly and crafty, to samurai like honor bound idiots.

Actually, I like the new Klingon image. They're still sly and crafty, yet have an alien concept of honor (and by that I mean, outside the Western definition).

 

[Kesh]

I think you could do a fairly good show based on the 30th century time patrol, or some such. We've seen multiple allusions that such a thing exists, and it would provide a REASON for the ubiquitous time travel we see in Star Trek. There is certainly enough to patrol...

Personally, I would hate that series, unless it were done extremely well. I just don't like Trek's time travel episodes.*

My own vision would be a Star Trek: Elite Force series, based just after the events of ST: Nemesis. The Romulan Empire is collapsing into civil war with the death of its leadership, the Federation's still in rough shape after the Dominion War & several Borg incursions, Cardassia is rebuilding, the Klingon empire unstable... it's a galaxy ripe for border wars and intrigue. Thus, the Federation Elite Forces are deployed along borders to try and act as peacekeepers, while also being employed in more covert operations for some unseen goal. It'd be a small team of people we follow, as they deal with the conflict between the Federation's utopian ideal, and the harsh reality of a galaxy in conflict.

* The one exception, to my chagrin, is the Voyager Year of Hell episode. I thought that one worked out very well, and made internal sense. Most ST time travel shows don't.