But whatever makes it easier for you...
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It isn't about what is easier for the poster you were talking to.
EN World has a rule against discussion or commentary on real world religions.
But whatever makes it easier for you...
that is true but the people he was targeting where not all that thus it seems the point is not relevant here.Genocide does happen in Sci Fi and fantasy normally when said race is irredeemabley evil, xenophobic or aggressive usually all three.
Hence why big bads often get imprisoned. Then escape.
I've been informed recently that its impossible to publish something that doesn't conform to contemporary values, so I guess that's off the table.I think the issue isn't so much about real-world religion as it is about older belief systems (which informed a lot of classical literature, mythology, and yes, religions) with regard to collective punishments being handed down onto an entire group for the failure of one individual (usually a leader of some sort). You don't have to look very hard to find that particular idea in numerous tales from antiquity (and more recently, for that matter).
Now, that conflicts drastically with contemporary attitudes, which strongly emphasize personalism with regards to moral culpability. And since alignment presents itself as the objective presence of Good and Evil, it's easy to see why some people reject any presentation of "absolute Good" that fails to adhere to the present understanding of morality.
That said, I think there's room to understand and enjoy a game setting where an older, alternative definition of Goodness (even in an absolute sense) is utilized, without any presumption that this necessarily means that the people who enjoy that are legitimately rejecting contemporary values.
I don't hate the thematic core... I hate some of the specific bits though.Quick question, just out of curiosity: what exactly do the people here that seem to hate the thematic core of Dragonlance actually want DL to be in this "reimagined" version? What story do you want them to tell, and in what way would it still be Dragonlance, if you're rejecting the premise of the setting's fictional history and the story told in the original novels?
It's Impossible WotC will. If you're a small press go knock yourself out.I've been informed recently that its impossible to publish something that doesn't conform to contemporary values, so I guess that's off the table.
Asked and answered. Balance Is Good is not the thematic core of Dragonlance as presented in the books. The thematic core is presented in the modules - and it's a large Saturday Morning Cartoon setting of good vs evil where the bad guys come colour coded for your convenience.Quick question, just out of curiosity: what exactly do the people here that seem to hate the thematic core of Dragonlance actually want DL to be in this "reimagined" version?
Nobody has said that.I've been informed recently that its impossible to publish something that doesn't conform to contemporary values, so I guess that's off the table.
And absolutely nobody has said that they hate the thematic core of Dragonlance. In fact, lots of people have said that they love the thematic core. A great war, involving dragon-riding knights, between Good and Evil. With draconian super-soldiers on one side.Quick question, just out of curiosity: what exactly do the people here that seem to hate the thematic core of Dragonlance actually want DL to be in this "reimagined" version? What story do you want them to tell, and in what way would it still be Dragonlance, if you're rejecting the premise of the setting's fictional history and the story told in the original novels?
Epic fantasy dragon-riding battles.Quick question, just out of curiosity: what exactly do the people here that seem to hate the thematic core of Dragonlance actually want DL to be in this "reimagined" version? What story do you want them to tell, and in what way would it still be Dragonlance, if you're rejecting the premise of the setting's fictional history and the story told in the original novels?
If you think the thematic core of DL is the War of the Lance, then you’ve probably only ever read the first trilogy of novels.Nobody has said that.
But really, if you publish something in 2022 that conforms to the values of something written in 1985, with all the (un)intentional sexism, racism, and other bigotries of the time, and without any understanding of what tropes are no longer interesting--who do you think would buy it?
And absolutely nobody has said that they hate the thematic core of Dragonlance. In fact, lots of people have said that they love the thematic core. A great war, involving dragon-riding knights, between Good and Evil. With draconian super-soldiers on one side.
What people don't want are the stupid things in the setting. Cosmically "Good" people and organizations that allow for or actively commit evil deeds. Mary Sue kletpomaniacs. Ablest caricatures. Poorly-thought out white stereotypes of Native Americans. And so forth.
The real question is, why is it so important that these things remain in the game?