Draw Steel the MCDM RPG!

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Good questions & I'm goping to break up the post with answers for each part. I tried to avoid going too deep & avoid touching on rabbitholes of mechanics that aren't in any way standard dnd or similar so some stuff got it's mechanical relevance skirted around & other stuff you questioned below :D

Career sounds like an entire extra step from most chargen and you have to answer yet more questions after already coming up with a concept and so on. You also describe it as "a bit of all over the place" (very bad in a chargen system). Then your example careers seem pretty fiddly and like they'd require a player to pre-emptively know what certain systems and rules actually meant (including one you apparently don't even know what it means lol!), at a time when they definitely will not. You also have to pick an inciting incident which is related to career not class.
They each carry some mechanical benefit that is going to provide a significant dash of flavor to the PC. It's really not just a box to tick. You've got to keep in mind that it doesn't have multiclassing PrCs or some kind of shadowrun/gurps/etc type pointbuy. Things like career & kits are where you find a lot of the dials & knobs that you would normally tweak through those other ways. Most of the careers happen to be split across columns & out of the two that aren't I feel like soldier needs the least understanding of system specific rules/subsystems
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Also yea you can change your kit no big deal.
They all have a notable impact on your options are differing points in the game & that's one of the things making statements like "erf... you are playing an elf wizard too? Hope we don't step on each other's toes" not really a thing.


Then you have to bizarrely independently choose class and kit even though class would surely inform and delimit kit pretty severely.
Yes and no, mostly no. Two of the classes mention a kit in the class itself. One is the shadow (sort of a well done blend of rogue & magical/supernatural rogue-ish stuff & the fury (sort of a barbarian) but both of those labels aren't quite accurate. With the shadow it's an ability to pick two martial kits & get the benefit of both. With the fury they are mentioned by way of class specific kits that allow them to shapeshift into a particular animal with each animal giving different badass mechanical stuff on top of the barbarian-type stuff we saw in the last packet (where it was widely explained).
Does class involve any L1 choices? A lot of the kit from what we saw previously looks likely to induce at least minor analysis paralysis.
Most of them have a choice or two, but it's an easy & obvious one or two. The easiest one to summarize is the elementalist, it also seems☆ to have the most choices to make needing to choose their specialty from (earth, fire, green, or void). Make the choice & you get the relevant "specialization features". After that you pick a "signature ability", those choices are debris (damage+difficult terrain), fire lance (damage+push), growing pains(damage+pull), & void ray (damage+slow).
That's hardly anywhere near analysis paralysis & an effort not far from choosing a weapon in most games.

Free strikes - do these involve choices is or is this just an admin step you wrote down?
Less complicated than you are thinking. Your class might give you one & one of those elementalist choices was an elementalist specific free strike. The basic options you add are melee weapon free strike & ranged weapon free strike, one does more damage but is reach & one has 5 squares of range. Not exactly a nailbiter decision. Your kit has some influence on those (ie raider kit adds some melee weapon damage & gives a shield bash while ward:frigid kit adds to cold damage & givres you ice armor)
Complications - Optional but yet another layer a lot of RPGs skip (including 5E, and I was rather expecting this to be on-par with 5E crunch-wise, but it seems like it's going north of that by some margin). Further analysis too as players will try to determine whether they actually want them.
Again, these are an element with a significant impact on differentiating Alice & Bob's hypothetical elf wizards from each other & will have a notable impact in play... Take what the Devil Deal & Ward (ofd royalty) gives as examples
devil deal:
Benefit: Your Stamina increases by 5 at 1st level, then increases by an additional 1 each time you gain a new level.

Drawback: When you are dying, your possessing elemental takes control of your body. The elemental yearns for destruction, causing you to attack the closest creature they notice without regard for your desires or your body’s safety.

ward:
Benefit: You know how to talk to monarchs, aristocrats,
and other wealthy leaders. When you engage with any such NPC during a negotiation, their patience increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5).

Drawback: Your royal ward regularly calls upon you for advice and takes that advice to heart—for better or for worse.

Determine details - yet more detail, which is fine, but it feels like adding this on top at this point in chargen is absolutely well into the upper realms of complex chargen.
This one is literally how does your character look & maybe give me some backstory about it type stuff not anything mechanical. Just about every ttrpg I've ever seen has this at some point in chargen. Scards tattoos & sleeping with a teddy bear are some of the examples mentioned

Make connections - Another whole step, and one I like, but it's another whole step.
The example questions in it are pretty good teambuilding stuff. Here are the first two of the eight example questions, most of them in some way encourage party cohesion teamwork and/or shared history between one or more PCs.
While fighting a monster, another hero saved your life.
What were you battling and who saved you?
• In your group, who looks after everyone’s health and
well-being and makes sure that all the characters get
along? If it’s not you, how do you view this other hero?

I'm also not convinced the order of operations here is as rational as a lot of other decisions being made about this game. I don't think this general approach to chargen is a bad thing, but I do think creating a character in this system will be considerably heavier than 5E or a lot of modern systems.

I don't think they ever presented it as rules light or anything, There is definitely more crunch, but I ran the sample adventure in the previous packet & that crunchcan be processed between turns & tended to clear up somewhere in the first session as each player learned how their class specific resource works & such. The tactical heroic & cinematic goal/tagline was nicely juggled without the usual "umm... hmm... I'm gonna... lets check how this ability works" thumb twiddling


☆ Just going to quote a line from the patreon post that had the packet...
"But please remember you are reading raw text and this is not how the game was meant to be experienced. The art and layout will make the rules easier to use. Many of you by now know the maxim: presentation is part of design. Well, there’s very little presentation in here and that’s going to make it harder to figure things out.

If you can’t figure out some rule, don’t panic, that’s normal in any game like this. We encourage you to come by the discord and ask questions about the things that aren’t clear (more on this below)."

I could be unknowingly overlooking a choice
 

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60 seems like a lot, but to be fair the game I've designed has 40 major skills & knowledges and it is not bloated at all. I think for 60 he may have stripped away some of the sub-skills and made them stand alone skills.

EDIT: And likely included Archery, Brawl, Casting, Melee ...etc
 
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@Helena Real from what I understood from your DM, the Draw Steel system reminded me of the SIEGE mechanic of Castles & Crusades, but obviously more polished and with an additional degree of success.
Are you familiar with C&C?

EDIT: Just as an aside, do you break into Spanish when playing without cam or do you still use English because the manuals are in English?
 
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Helena Real

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@Helena Real from what I understood from your DM, the Draw Steel system reminded me of the SIEGE mechanic of Castles & Crusades, but obviously more polished and with an additional degree of success.
Are you familiar with C&C?

EDIT: Just as an aside, do you break into Spanish when playing without cam or do you still use English because the manuals are in English?

Hi there!

I'm a little familiar with C&C, but I don't think DS is really that similar. Probably still the closest surface gaming equivalent is 4E but, after 1 session of playtest, I feel like the Power Roll gives it a kind of "tactical PbtA" to it. The mechanics are completely player facing, at least when it comes to combat and tests so far (we're missing negotiation).

As for the Spanish, it depends. Most of the time, when we play without cameras, we're still playing in English but are more lax in using Spanish here and there. We sometimes play in Spanish and upload it to the channel too! 😁
 



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Here's Matt creating a character, including options not in the current patreon packet. Its long but he takes a lotnof time to discuss a bunch of mechanics and design philosophy.


Also James will be on d20play tonight.
 

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