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Weeble said:

Yeah. Obviously you misunderstood. Let's try again, and I'll spell it out so that a 1st grade classroom of "special" students could understand.

Yes they do pertain only to creating characters above 1st level.
 

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kreynolds said:


Yeah. Obviously you misunderstood. Let's try again, and I'll spell it out so that a 1st grade classroom of "special" students could understand.

Yes they do pertain only to creating characters above 1st level.

Lets back up to Kindergarden, I will used let blocks,

No they don't
 

Weeble said:
Lets back up to Kindergarden, I will used let blocks,

No they don't

You can go back far enough until you're filling your diapers every 20 minutes, for all I care. ;)

Yes they do.
 
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Overheard on the playground...

Overheard on the playground:

"My DM is going to come over and kick your DM's ass!"
 


Weeble, I find this bickering pointless.

So a last line from on this, after this you can flame me all you want.

If you can convice your DM that your idea is balancing gamewise, it's fine by me, I wouldn't allow it in my campaign. However, you and your DM should make sure that everyone else has this opportunity as well, that means everyone with a craft skill should be allowed to essentially double his starting wealth.

If on the other hand you are the DM, I bid to consider the implications of this choice, namely as stated above, everyone with a craft skill, PCs or NPCs, should be allowed to double their starting wealth.

If recall correctly, the whole point of this thread was the idea of running a low magic campaign, that is certainly not accomplished by doing what you suggest.

Have you also considered the giant loophole you opening, if you allow your system, what's to stop the characters selling thier newly improved wealth, creating new magic items, sell them, create new .. etc. With your system thier would be no hindrances to start at 5th level with like 3 Million gp's worth of equipment.
 
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kreynolds said:

Basically, the way you guys wanna handle this would allow a meager fighter to possess only 25 wands, but the character that made them would be able to carry and use 50 wands, because they cost half as much in his hands. I repeat, ludicrous and horribly unbalancing (if not in a solo game).

Having put together a Wizard starting at mid-8th level with great freedom to create items at the standard half market for creation plus xp cost, I feel justified in strongly disagreeing.

I started with ~30k. I spent ~12k making items, "gaining" ~12k and costing me 960 xp. I just didn't have the prereqs to make all the items I most wanted so I couldn't stretch my dollar much further.

I then spent 9000 beefing up my spell book. That is a hefty number of spells, but I think it was money smartly spent because it puts me in a good position to make lots of useful scrolls.

I end up quickly burning about 3000 gp of scrolls saving my friends' rear ends in the next few sorties. Bummer. But that is my job as the party Wizard.

So where does that put me at the end of the day wealthwise? Exactly the same as everyone else, although I do have a fat spellbook.

I do not see what is so abusive about allowing spellcasters to gain benefit from their feats. Not giving the Wizard the full discount really hurts them relative to Sorcerors.

I side with Weeble on this one.
 

Ridley's Cohort said:


Having put together a Wizard starting at mid-8th level with great freedom to create items at the standard half market for creation plus xp cost, I feel justified in strongly disagreeing.

I started with ~30k. I spent ~12k making items, "gaining" ~12k and costing me 960 xp. I just didn't have the prereqs to make all the items I most wanted so I couldn't stretch my dollar much further.

I then spent 9000 beefing up my spell book. That is a hefty number of spells, but I think it was money smartly spent because it puts me in a good position to make lots of useful scrolls.

I end up quickly burning about 3000 gp of scrolls saving my friends' rear ends in the next few sorties. Bummer. But that is my job as the party Wizard.

So where does that put me at the end of the day wealthwise? Exactly the same as everyone else, although I do have a fat spellbook.

I do not see what is so abusive about allowing spellcasters to gain benefit from their feats. Not giving the Wizard the full discount really hurts them relative to Sorcerors.

I side with Weeble on this one.

Thanks Ridley
 

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