Druids and Wood Weapons

[Xarlen]

I think it was erattaed that they could use the Longspear and Greatclub, too.

 

[Saeviomagy]

No, they could always use the longspear, and they still can't use a greatclub.

However, I don't recall ever seeing them being banned from using larger or smaller versions of their weapons - so a human could use a large club (d8, not the d10 of the greatclub), or a large scimitar(again, d8), or a 2-sizes increased large sickle (the best so far, 1d10).

 

[CRGreathouse]

No, they could always use the longspear, and they still can't use a greatclub.

However, I don't recall ever seeing them being banned from using larger or smaller versions of their weapons - so a human could use a large club (d8, not the d10 of the greatclub), or a large scimitar(again, d8), or a 2-sizes increased large sickle (the best so far, 1d10).

1. Weapon proficiencies are generally agreed to not include sized-up (or down) versions of weapons
2. The damages you give are wrong

 

[Dr_Rictus]

1. Weapon proficiencies are generally agreed to not include sized-up (or down) versions of weapons

So, what's your point? Or are you claiming that a Large character wouldn't get proficiency with the appropriate-sized versions of the weapons granted by his class? That would seem to have nothing to do with the issue of druids' oaths, specifically.

2. The damages you give are wrong

You use the plural, but as far as I can see only the damage for the Large sickle is incorrect. It should be 2d6.


As an aside, I find it quite puzzling that anybody is trying to make logical sense out of a restriction that is fictionalized as a spritual oath. Many of the religious strictures in real life make (in my opinion) no more logical sense than being able to use a sickle but not a kama, but are still taken quite seriously.

 

[Pielorinho]

Hm.. if you count THAT as a weapon. I'd say it's just something you throw. Not exactly a weapon. IMHO, a druid wouldn't lose his powers if he attacked with a bread knife.

KaeYoss, while I agree with most of your solutions, I was just mocking the rules as they're strictly written. As strictly written, the rules are just silly.

Daniel

 

[ConcreteBuddha]

As strictly written, the rules are just silly.

Daniel

Spiritual oaths for a divine character are silly? Neato.

 

[Li Shenron]

True, ironwood provides a specific exception. Weapons made of ironwood may are "freely usable" by druids according to the spell. So the elven druid in question could use an ironwood bow

I don't think so. A normal short or long bow is entirely made of wood (apart the string, but druids are not prohibited from using ropes) but still they can't use it. Do you change such a bow if you cast Ironwood on it? OTOH druids use scimitars and sickles, don't they have metal in themselves?

I think druids restrictions are not strictly base on materials, sometimes is the technical complexity of the tool to limit its use. Strangely enough, no restriction is stated for very complex non-combat items (they can use caltrops, any lantern, any vehicle...), so it doesn't seem to follow a real logic path.

That's why the sage said it's more "flavor" then anything, just like the old oath for cleric non using slashing weapons in 2ed. Ultimately, you have to decide with your DM what to use in your campaign (I go per the rules, we are not getting annoyed but still it doesn't make whole sense to us).

 

[Dr_Rictus]

I don't think so. A normal short or long bow is entirely made of wood (apart the string, but druids are not prohibited from using ropes) but still they can't use it. Do you change such a bow if you cast Ironwood on it? OTOH druids use scimitars and sickles, don't they have metal in themselves?

You're missing the point entirely. My claim that a druid could use an ironwood bow had nothing whatsoever, even just a little bit, to do with whether it contains metal or not. If I somehow gave you that impression, I don't know how. It has only to do with the fact that (as written, with discussion as to whether this was the intent set aside for the moment) the ironwood spell contains an exception stating that ironwood weapons and armor are freely usable by druids.

 

[mikebr99]

Wouldn't a Druid have to be exceptionally strong to bend a bow that has been turned into Ironwood? Doesn't seem that flexible to me... YMMV

 

[DantesFury]

An Ironwood Bow would not work due to the rigidity of the wood.... The arrows could benefit since the weight is unchanged... Though druids arent able to use them acording to the rules....

can anyone tell me why druids are able to use scimitars as weapons (being metal and all) ... I can understand using metal implements for non-combat related tasks..