Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph
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TheGogmagog
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It's a focus, it's not consumed. [edit: too slow]beepeearr said:
Many of the ablities wildshape is being toted for can be emulated with more or less effectiveness with spells by that appropriate level. I'm not convinced that a druid is hands down more effective than a sor/wis or a cleric with acess to similar spells.
Elemental swarm (extended when you get an epic 10th level slot) is really friggin cool though. Elemental clerics can get that ability also.
Paul9000, if I can offer some constructive comments...
Most posts I've seen so far echo my own impression: that you are attempting to compare two very distinct abilities instead of looking at the whole picture, and therefore feel that your choice of class is underpowered.
I feel that you have already made up your mind about the comparison between high-level wildshape and shapechange. Frankly, I find this futile, as mentioned above and in other posts.
If what's important to you is to have the power of shapechange, then I would respectfully suggest that you play a wizard or sorcerer. Otherwise, the druid has some very respectable abilities not available to other classes, and perhaps you should take those into consideration before feeling shortchanged.
Andargor
Most posts I've seen so far echo my own impression: that you are attempting to compare two very distinct abilities instead of looking at the whole picture, and therefore feel that your choice of class is underpowered.
I feel that you have already made up your mind about the comparison between high-level wildshape and shapechange. Frankly, I find this futile, as mentioned above and in other posts.
If what's important to you is to have the power of shapechange, then I would respectfully suggest that you play a wizard or sorcerer. Otherwise, the druid has some very respectable abilities not available to other classes, and perhaps you should take those into consideration before feeling shortchanged.
Andargor
Drids rock
I agree with Grotor. druids get alot of really good abilities early, not to mention they have alot of rich role playing experiance being of an oposite polarity to a Wizard or sorcerer. What I like most about drids is often the over looked abilty to swap spells for Summon Natures Ally. If you use this with wild shape you can confuse the enemy to which animal you might be, until you cast spells. If you combine that with the best buff spell in the game "animal growth" You can quickly have an army of hudge animals rampaging the countryside within 3-5 rounds. Which is the best destraction or use as cannon fodder.
In conclusion Druids ROCK
I agree with Grotor. druids get alot of really good abilities early, not to mention they have alot of rich role playing experiance being of an oposite polarity to a Wizard or sorcerer. What I like most about drids is often the over looked abilty to swap spells for Summon Natures Ally. If you use this with wild shape you can confuse the enemy to which animal you might be, until you cast spells. If you combine that with the best buff spell in the game "animal growth" You can quickly have an army of hudge animals rampaging the countryside within 3-5 rounds. Which is the best destraction or use as cannon fodder.
In conclusion Druids ROCK
Thank you all for your thoughts. I do see that the Druid and Wizard may not be entirely comparable, but do you think it would be worth changing to MOMF from Druid knowing that you lose spell levels including losing the Shapechange spell which would allow you to do all of the MOMF changes plus more?
Also it just doesn't seem right to work your way up the ladder of shapechanging ability only to know that when you reach your pinnacle you are given a spell that basically mimics what you can do and more. Yes, I know they are not entirely equal, duration, dispelling, creature types - but I guess you can see where I am coming from. I hadn't played a druid in probably 10 years so I was kind of dissapointed that a single spell(s) (poly, sc) would cheapen the abilities of a druid and/or MOMF. I still like the druid and will continue to play one till he bites it.
Paul
Also it just doesn't seem right to work your way up the ladder of shapechanging ability only to know that when you reach your pinnacle you are given a spell that basically mimics what you can do and more. Yes, I know they are not entirely equal, duration, dispelling, creature types - but I guess you can see where I am coming from. I hadn't played a druid in probably 10 years so I was kind of dissapointed that a single spell(s) (poly, sc) would cheapen the abilities of a druid and/or MOMF. I still like the druid and will continue to play one till he bites it.
Paul
