Dungeon and dragon WOTC forums

[Mirtek]

So many people groan about the loss of Dungeon and Dragon, but let's face facts: those two "fine publications" were merely outlets for material so ridiculously unbalanced or irredeemable that it would never make it into any actual sourcebook.

If you want to talk about facts then better get your facts straight.

Material that first featured in Dragon or Dungeon made it into later supplements very often. As a matter of fact, so often that quite a few subscribers/readers were regulary pissed about buying the same material twice

 

[JoeGKushner]

/off topic

When did the word grognard become a negative?

/topic

I believe it was when 4e apologists decided that no matter what happened and how badly WoTC missed their own deadlines or provided information that didn't please some, that any who felt it wrong were grongnards and bad, bitter people who must surely be negative about everything. (And look, a smiley so it's humorous!)

 

[PatrickLawinger]

They have actual work to do.

If they took a moment to listen to the yowls of every whiny grognard they'd want to quit within a month.

If you take over a magazine that is HEAVILY used to promote your upcoming, new, game system you'd better dedicate people to doing nothing but that magazine. Producing a magazine, whether online or print, is a huge manpower-intensive undertaking.

WotC deserves NO forgiveness or leeway because "they have actual work to do" simply due to the fact that they KNEW how much work it would be and they should have hired the additional people required to do the job right.

I am a supporter of DnD, I am sure to buy the core rule books the first day they are out no matter what (pathetic isn't it-at least I admit it). WotC is going to make money from me, I will buy their books, I am a sure thing. The question becomes, how many of the additional books and services will I buy?
I do a number of things online and would love a good, usable online package of tools. If WotC can't take care of the magazine side there is no way I will trust them to create a usable package of tools. In other words, for the first time in YEARS I will not be subscribing to Dungeon and Dragon. I know a number of hardcore gamers with HUGE gaming budgets that have no desire to subscribe either. If something comes out that is interesting will I look at it? Sure. Based on what I see right now, they'd better not expect me to pay for anything for quite some time though.

If WotC can't convince heavy spending former subscribers and hardcore DnD players to go to their online magazines, I sense an upcoming problem.

Frankly, I expect them to have to provide the DnD Insider tools for free for several months (minimum) if they really want monthly subscribers. Those several months better be good too.

Patrick

 

[Haffrung Helleyes]

Have you ever even _read_ the version of Dungeon that Paizo put out? You couldn't be more wrong about it. Those adventures were the best written for 3E. In fact, the only WoTC adventures that were as good as the ones in Dungeon were the ones freelanced out to the same writers who wrote the adventures in Dungeon magazine.

I can't speak to Dragon, since I don't read it, but I'm guessing you're equally off base.

Ken

This sort of attitude is exactly the reason why they rarely post anything on the forums any more.

No matter how concerned you are, there's someone who's unconcerned and will buy the product, no questions asked. Sure, losing your business may seem like the beginning down a slippery slope, but it's merely one dip in a series of peaks and valleys.

They create the game and the rules, but they don't obligate you to buy it. They'll answer questions if they want to, provide extended content if they want and if they don't, they won't.

So many people groan about the loss of Dungeon and Dragon, but let's face facts: those two "fine publications" were merely outlets for material so ridiculously unbalanced or irredeemable that it would never make it into any actual sourcebook. Because of WotC sponsorship of the two products, people argued that their contents were "official" material, and this allowed them to import some of the worst-implemented and poorly-balanced options in 3.0 and 3.5. Essentially a Munchkin's wet dream.

As far as publication dates...those come and go, particularly with a product that's still in the development cycle. What has and hasn't gone to the printers at this point is up for debate, but all of the content certainly hasn't been sent forth.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Moderator note:
Let's not use grognard as a negative, let's keep its original meaning* and thus avoid insulting anyone who would legitimately consider themselves a grognard.

Thanks


* It's wargaming meaning. not the original Napoleonic French term, obviously!

 

[Nymrohd]

I have a huge gaming budget and I am reluctant to subscribe to DDI at the moment. And yes Dungeon rocked, the adventures and adventure paths were great.

 

[Erik Mona]

So many people groan about the loss of Dungeon and Dragon, but let's face facts: those two "fine publications" were merely outlets for material so ridiculously unbalanced or irredeemable that it would never make it into any actual sourcebook. Because of WotC sponsorship of the two products, people argued that their contents were "official" material, and this allowed them to import some of the worst-implemented and poorly-balanced options in 3.0 and 3.5. Essentially a Munchkin's wet dream.

What a retarded thing to say.

--Erik Mona

 

[zacharythefirst]

Paizo did a damn fine job with their run of Dungeon and Dragon (and have won me over with Pathfinder, to boot--and that's as a True20 player), and I'd hardly call ANY of it that I can think of unbalanced or poorly written. I think Dayen may have been buying cheap knock-offs of Dragon from some guy's trunk, right next to the fake Rolexes.

 

[Darkwolf71]

Tell 'em, Erik!

LMAO!

R.I.P. Dragon/Dungeon

 

[TerraDave]

This thread isn't going to last much longer...

...but anyways, it would really be in WotC interest to do a better job with both Gleemax and DDI then they are. Right now I could not imagine paying money for the DDI. It is a series of unmet, and in some cases broken, promises.

It needs to change pretty seriously, and the additional features need to be real good, before I would think about spending any money on it. I don't think I am alone.