Dungeon vs. Polyhedron - Death Match

[WizarDru]

Seeing as how I like both magazines, and don't have a choice to vote for that, I'd say you're not getting much of a good sample, either way. Maybe if there was a choice for buying both, I'd consider this poll to be worth virtually nothing, as opposed to completely worthless. Especially since it's based on the fallacy that the subset of ENworlders who vote is representative of even just all ENWorlders, let alone anything else.

 

[Keith]

So there it is ladies and gentlemen - straight from the horse's mouth. Poly will be decreased but not excised. The issue is resolved. The horse is dead. Stop beating it

Please, I’m begging you, only one horse metaphor at a time.

 

[Desdichado]

I'm no statistics pro but using Chi square expected vs. observed test it seems pretty significant to me. At this point there is a 0.000000000002% chance that this is some random effect. Granted that the EN world board is not a random sample, but its the closest thing there existing that is economically viable.

There is a formula, which I no longer remember, that tells you, for a given population size, what size sample you need to have a statistically relevant sample. We haven't even gotten close to that. Add to that some problematic wording in the question (some folks don't feel their opinion was represented in the options, no option for continue status quo, etc.) and the fact that this sample isn't in any way random, and the results, while interesting, are also essentially meaningless.

 

[diaglo]

Please, I’m begging you, only one horse metaphor at a time.

at least he didn't mention getting your goat. (another horse racing origin)

or a shoe in.

or looking a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[nikolai]

My take:

The poll is biased, not statistically significant, anecdotal, worthless, etc...

I don't buy this (but there again I don't buy Dungeon any more either).

The people who are desperately inventing reasons to ignore it completely should give up. The poll provides support for the notion that most people want Poly out. I does this just because the poll went the way it did. It could have gone the other way, but it didn't, so the proposition's more credible than before the poll was put up.

The pro-Dungeon majority is overwhelming (50%). An overwhelming number make the call and only c. 5% more people like Poly than (presumably) can't make the choice. People say ENWorld is an unrepresentative sample, I'm sure that's so - but for the result to be an accident is has to be massively unrepresentative, and I don't think that's credible. Yes it's not perfect, but I'm presuming other changes in the Mag were made without exhaustive prior polling and we don't need a series of double-blind trials done before any decision gets made.

That said I don't think both sides throwing (metaphorial) rocks at the other is the solution: the magazine needs to be made much more cohesive and useful. But perhaps that's for another thread...

nikolai.

 

[SpikeyFreak]

I would never buy an issue of Dungeon if it didn't have the mini-games (and infact I never did until they started with the mini-games).

--Honest Spikey

 

[Bavix]

Black & White Dungeon

It seems to me that the reason behind putting Polyhedron into Dungeon in the first place was production costs. This seems to be an issue now that Dungeon is a full-color, highly graphic format.

I work in the print industry and I know how budget-breaking this format can be. I, as a long-time Dungeon fan, had no problem with the black and white format of old and, if it meant getting more adventure for my money, would gladly buy Dungeon in that format again.

That would also leave more money in the budget for miniature-scale poster maps, monster tokens, and other inserts.

 

[Moxie]

I too want more options. I want to keep both, maybe drop back some on the Poly, but not kill it entirely. I was about to let my subscription lapse but with one month to go, I received one more renewal notice. With one issue left I decided to give D/P one more chance.

Also, Erik is there any chance that the remaining quarters of Greyhawk City will be published like Clerkburg? The main reason way back when I joined the RPGA was to get the City info and that's been my biggest disappointment so far. If WotC won't publish Greyhawk material, what other chance does the city stand of being brought to the attention of gamers? The new map was so beautiful and the additional sites were intriguing. I really miss it.

I guess I just believe in second chances.

 

[Moxie]

at least he didn't mention getting your goat. (another horse racing origin)

or a shoe in.

or looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Now that's the straw that broke the camel's back!

 

[Darrin Drader]

Now that's the straw that broke the camel's back!

I think you're all looking a gift horse in the mouth.

It's time to blow out of this one-horse town.

But lets not become a horse's ass.