Dungeons & Dragons 2024 Player's Handbook Is Already Getting Errata

The 2024 Player's Handbook on D&D Beyond contains several updates to the new revised 5th edition ruleset. Early access users of D&D Beyond who have also obtained a physical copy of the 2024 Player's Handbook have noticed several minor differences between the digital and physical copy, assumably due to soon-to-be-released errata. Notably, the following changes have been spotted:

• Giant Insect spell contains a clarification on its HP (the physical edition states that the summoned insect has an HP of 30+10 for each level in the spell slot used to cast the spell; the digital version states 30+10 for every level above 4th level),
• Shields now require the Utilize action to don or doff
• Goliath's Powerful Build now specifies that it grants Advantage on ability checks to end the Grappled Condition instead of saving throws.
• True Polymorph's spell description no longer states that the spell effects end if its target's temporary hit points run out.
• The Telekinetic feat now specifies that it grants an increased range to the use of Mage Hand instead stating that you can cast Mage Hand at a further distance away.

Notably, Wizards of the Coast has not released an official errata document for the Player's Handbook, although they may be holding out until the book's full release on September 17th.

 

[Imaro]

That’s been clear to me all along, and is exactly the problem. Because a perception check (passive or otherwise) that beats a DC equal to your Stealth check result is required to find you, a high enough Stealth check does in fact make it possible to dance naked in front of an enemy’s face without being found, as long as you do so quietly.

I don't think its required... in the rules glossary it says taking a search action to find something is only necessary if it's not obvious. Dancing in front of someone naked is pretty obvious.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

… a high enough Stealth check does in fact make it possible to dance naked in front of an enemy’s face without being found, as long as you do so quietly.

That hide check could as well mean you get to dance naked right behind their back while they’re distracted elsewhere, right?

I think a lot of people want to imagine the 360° game-vision characters and monsters are given in the rules also allow players and DM’s to imagine “… well actually I’m paying attention to this 5° portion of the game map” during combat. It seems plausible that the Hide check could encompass distraction techniques.

 

[Charlaquin]

I don't think it’s required... in the rules glossary it says taking a search action to find something is only necessary if it's not obvious. Dancing in front of someone named is pretty obvious.

A creature that’s invisible is not what I would call obvious, and again, the Hide action clearly defines how an enemy can find you, and then lists an enemy finding you, attacking, casting a spell, and making a noise louder than a whisper as the criteria for ending the invisible condition.

 

[bedir than]

I don't think its required... in the rules glossary it says taking a search action to find something is only necessary if it's not obvious. Dancing in front of someone named is pretty obvious.

Additionally it says of using Perception for a Search

"Concealed creature or object"

Just like you wouldn't need to search for a table in a dining room you wouldn't need to search for a person dancing naked in the living room

 

[Charlaquin]

That hide check could as well mean you get to dance naked right behind their back while they’re distracted elsewhere, right?

The player’s actions should never dictate NPCs’ behaviors. It’s not up to the player where the enemy is looking, and I as DM shouldn’t be prevented from determining that an NPC is looking in a certain direction because a player said “I hide behind that tree,” rolled a high stealth check, and then said “now I take off all my clothes and go dance out in the open.”

 

[Charlaquin]

Additionally it says of using Perception for a Search

"Concealed creature or object"

Just like you wouldn't need to search for a table in a dining room you wouldn't need to search for a person dancing naked in the living room

Being concealed is explicitly one of the benefits of having the Invisible condition, which is granted by a successful hide action, and ended only by making a sound louder than a whisper, attacking, casting a spell, or being found by an enemy, which the hide action defines as needing a successful perception check to do.

 

[Mistwell]

I don't think its required... in the rules glossary it says taking a search action to find something is only necessary if it's not obvious. Dancing in front of someone named is pretty obvious.

Search action just refers you to the rule for Perception. And perception is circular, as the Hide action tells you the DC for perception. And as Charlaquin mentioned, the Invis condition directly says you're concealed, unless the target can "somehow see you." You know how you know if a target can somehow see you? "Make note of your check’s total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (Perception) check."

The rules are remarkably consistent. I just don't like them. But not liking them is different from them being different than they are. I now think it's really quite clear how they intend for Hide to work. I'm just not happy with it.

I am not sure if anyone's mentioned it, but this rule for the Hide action is almost the same as the rule currently being used for the Hide action in BG3. You can sneak right out in full light once you achieve hiding while under cover and you have the Invisible condition. However BG3 has facing and a cone of eyesight. Stay out of that cone, and only a perception check (passive or active) can find you. But 5.24e has no facing. I think we're supposed to explain the "walking out in broad sight" with a "you wait until the creature is facing away from you" though that's just a guess.

 

[bedir than]

Being concealed is explicitly one of the benefits of having the Invisible condition, which is granted by a successful hide action, and ended only by making a sound louder than a whisper, attacking, casting a spell, or being found by an enemy, which the hide action defines as needing a successful perception check to do.

Except that being Invisible defines Concealed as such

"You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect’s creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed."

I can somehow see a naked person dancing in front of me as long as I have eyesight. This is not moderately difficult.

 

[Imaro]

A creature that’s invisible is not what I would call obvious, and again, the Hide action clearly defines how an enemy can find you, and then lists an enemy finding you, attacking, casting a spell, and making a noise louder than a whisper as the criteria for ending the invisible condition.

We aren't talking about invisible in the natural language sense... its a game condition. Yes finding you and if you are obviously naked, dancing in their face... they've found you without a check being necessary.

 

[Imaro]

Search action just refers you to the rule for Perception. And perception is circular, as the Hide action tells you the DC for perception. And as Charlaquin mentioned, the Invis condition directly says you're concealed, unless the target can "somehow see you." You know how you know if a target can somehow see you? "Make note of your check’s total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (Perception) check."

Disagree... its pretty clearly running on the mantra of 5e... where a check is only used when there is uncertainty. Everyone is of course free to run it however they like...