Thaumaturge
Wandering. Not lost. (He/they)
Also: Surprisingly bad at getting into the Beta despite signing up day 1.
Ok. I'm bad at gloating, too.
Thaumaturge.
D&D 5E DungeonScape Beta Gloat Thread
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Ok. I'm bad at gloating, too.
Thaumaturge.
yeah got to echo what most are saying... the beta just isn't that useful of a tool at this point. i have one character creation tab i can fool around with a bit (i still have to use phb to fine tune the character/understand what the nuances are). the end product could be awesome (something like roll20 but with a more elegant interface and the promise of integrated modules)...but at this point there just isn't much to say about the app itself. for now im definitely sticking with roll20 (which despite it's shortcomings really is an awesome and stable tool). i'm just worried about timetables for this whole thing..if it took them this long to get a semi functioning character creation tab...what kind of timetable are they on for a fully functioning release (at this point it feels like it's at least a year away).
Hobo the Delightful
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Hiya - web interface is most definitely not final! Would you mind linking to the feedback piece where it was mentioned that it is? *cracks whip*
Hobo the Delightful
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We do need crowdsourced QA!
.Well, based on the blog post awhile back where it was clear that the ios version was well ahead of the android or web versions (with the web version farthest behind I think?), I'm not surprised it is a bit rough.
I'm also not worried about it. We'll see how it looks as they update (which I suspect will be a set of fairly rapid iterations).
Though I will say, I'm very curious to hear how the ios app looks when it finally comes out (waiting on pricing structure approval I think?). I won't be able to check it myself. But I have Appley friends.
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I'm also not worried about it. We'll see how it looks as they update (which I suspect will be a set of fairly rapid iterations).
Though I will say, I'm very curious to hear how the ios app looks when it finally comes out (waiting on pricing structure approval I think?). I won't be able to check it myself. But I have Appley friends.
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So, my friend with the Surface is in the web beta, and he's found that the web version seems to work pretty well for the surface... that is there aren't formatting issues on the tablet beyond the standard beta stuff. It's not 100% clear to me whether he uses DungeonScape on the surface via a touch-screen or connects his keyboard/mouse. I know he often uses it (the device, not DS) with a keyboard and has a mouse.
Here is what I posted as feedback on the Android beta yesterday:
My first "real play" experience with DungeonScape was this past Saturday. Some thoughts:
- Once I got past a few issues, the tool is quite useful and intuitive in play. It really pays off by letting me filter to class spells and prepared spells, and by linking to the spell descriptions. This is an utterly massive benefit, and definitely my favorite thing about the tool. I'm looking forward to being able to rearrange the widgets, and ultimately I'd like to see an even greater degree of customizability (mostly to make what I consider key data as prominent as possible [ --- looking at you HP and AC!] ).
- What originally struck me as a variety of disconnected bugs turns out to be one general issue --- many data do not update after editing, but require you to "log out" (of DS or of the character) and "log back in" before updating. Changing to the home screen doesn't fix it. I had logged at least one bug along this line before I realized that this applied to many of the widgets. In particular, I was preparing spells and DS was not updating my list of available spells, which led me to believe the Spells tab in Android was much less complete than it actually was. After leaving and returning, I realized it did everything I needed it to, but required a log-out and log-in whenever I wanted to prep new spells.
- I'd really like to see HP and AC more prominent and in larger fonts, as they tend to be on a paper sheet. I commented along these lines in feedback thread where someone pointed out that the armor and shield worn don't seem to have any place in "Attributes" and they take up a bunch of valuable real estate there. I get that they come together to calculate AC, but they don't need to be mentioned in the Attributes widget to do that. They should be equipped through equipment. As a general rule all equipment should be equipped through equipment (though I suppose an exception can be made for magic items)
- One needs to be able to edit base ability scores after character creation. It's possible to roll up a character on paper, bring it over to DungeonScape through the character creation process, and after completing the character realize that there is a mistake in the ability score. This happened twice on Saturday. Then, the only fix is to re-create the character, which is very frustrating. (Even the "use modification" cannot be used, because it doesn't allow negative values. Too many fields disallow negative values for no reason.) It just makes sense to make this editable.
Overall, I'm very happy with DS, and I think it's quite usable at the table at this time. Perhaps one cannot go completely paper-free yet, but it's already proving handy. I'm looking forward to seeing it improve as the Trapdoor Tech team both squashes bugs and takes feedback into account regarding form and function. So many developers seem to have a very arrogant attitude about what users want, forcing their opinions on users -- so I'm really happy to see the level of responsiveness and willingness to hear our ideas coming from Trapdoor Tech.
My first "real play" experience with DungeonScape was this past Saturday. Some thoughts:
- Once I got past a few issues, the tool is quite useful and intuitive in play. It really pays off by letting me filter to class spells and prepared spells, and by linking to the spell descriptions. This is an utterly massive benefit, and definitely my favorite thing about the tool. I'm looking forward to being able to rearrange the widgets, and ultimately I'd like to see an even greater degree of customizability (mostly to make what I consider key data as prominent as possible [ --- looking at you HP and AC!] ).
- What originally struck me as a variety of disconnected bugs turns out to be one general issue --- many data do not update after editing, but require you to "log out" (of DS or of the character) and "log back in" before updating. Changing to the home screen doesn't fix it. I had logged at least one bug along this line before I realized that this applied to many of the widgets. In particular, I was preparing spells and DS was not updating my list of available spells, which led me to believe the Spells tab in Android was much less complete than it actually was. After leaving and returning, I realized it did everything I needed it to, but required a log-out and log-in whenever I wanted to prep new spells.
- I'd really like to see HP and AC more prominent and in larger fonts, as they tend to be on a paper sheet. I commented along these lines in feedback thread where someone pointed out that the armor and shield worn don't seem to have any place in "Attributes" and they take up a bunch of valuable real estate there. I get that they come together to calculate AC, but they don't need to be mentioned in the Attributes widget to do that. They should be equipped through equipment. As a general rule all equipment should be equipped through equipment (though I suppose an exception can be made for magic items)
- One needs to be able to edit base ability scores after character creation. It's possible to roll up a character on paper, bring it over to DungeonScape through the character creation process, and after completing the character realize that there is a mistake in the ability score. This happened twice on Saturday. Then, the only fix is to re-create the character, which is very frustrating. (Even the "use modification" cannot be used, because it doesn't allow negative values. Too many fields disallow negative values for no reason.) It just makes sense to make this editable.
Overall, I'm very happy with DS, and I think it's quite usable at the table at this time. Perhaps one cannot go completely paper-free yet, but it's already proving handy. I'm looking forward to seeing it improve as the Trapdoor Tech team both squashes bugs and takes feedback into account regarding form and function. So many developers seem to have a very arrogant attitude about what users want, forcing their opinions on users -- so I'm really happy to see the level of responsiveness and willingness to hear our ideas coming from Trapdoor Tech.
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